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September 18, 2009, 02:03 AM

#41 (permalink)

Terath

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Terath
80 Blood Elf Warlock
Cenarion Circle US RP Profile: Blizzard Armory

Re: Destro Spec - my DPS makes me cry :(

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Originally Posted by skummer

I resently saw that Fallenman has thrown a 3.2 raiding guide up on the blizzard forums. His builds show 0/13/58 and using glyphs of immo/conflag/lifetap.

it used to be immo/conflag/incinerate.

Has the math been hashed out to prove that lifetaps bonus outstrips the straight up 5% from incinerate?

This is where I dont necesarily agree with Fallenman. If you have 500 spirit or less you are not going to see much of a differance if any at all between the 2 glyphs.

Now for the hit debate this link has a real good explanation of it What's the Hit cap Mr. Wolf?
If you are lucky enough (I know not everyone is) you can run with the lower hit.
I do understand the reasoning behind going with the lower hit but it isnt that hard to get to 368 and 3 points supression and it covers you in case your S priest is not on for the night, and finding a Moonkin that has specced into Imp. FF might be rare.
The idea of being dependant on another class to raid doesnt make sense to me.

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September 18, 2009, 03:26 AM

#42 (permalink)

Tumlingen

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Bestlockdk
80 Undead Warlock
Burning Steppes Euro PvP
Guild: Niflheim
Profile: Blizzard Armory
Talent Spec: 0/13/58

Re: Destro Spec - my DPS makes me cry :(

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Originally Posted by dethkrik

The point everyone is trying to make is, if your guild has a steady S.Priest, that is awesome. But not everyone does, so for you to come in and say it should be assumed because people who don't have one in their raid are stupid is fairly shortsighted, and frankly, not helpful. I was trying to make a informative post, not just for Subwolf but anyone else who read the thread looking for ideas about how to improve their DPS. If it helps them great, if not, thats fine, but you coming along flaming anyone who doesn't raid with a S.Priest is counterproductive. I don't think anyone was taking the statement personal, its just illogical that everyone runs with a S.Priest and their precious buff.

Flaming? I specifically stated is as sarcasm - in two posts even.
Straighten up, now you're the one being foolish

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Originally Posted by Majestrix

Define "helpful".. If I see someone give what I think is bad advice, I find it helpful for me to point out an alternative point of view. If I see someone state something as a fact that IMHO isn't I find it helpul to point that out as well.

Unhelpful? stating a wrong fact?
Jog on mate, two posts above your (helpful indeed, which I commented sarcastic) I just wrote a miniature guide for the guy asking about this.

Don't pull the 'unhelpful card' out, it's just bollocks and you know it.

September 18, 2009, 04:22 AM	#43 (permalink)
Jenren22 Character Info Jenerena 80 Blood Elf Warlock Executus Euro PvP Guild: Deliverance Profile: Blizzard Armory Talent Spec: 0/13/58	Re: Destro Spec - my DPS makes me cry :( I do agree it is always good to run with a moonkin or shadow priest, and every raid leader should attempt to take a boomkin at least. BUT you should always keep in mind the hit cap, and keep a set of hit gear for when you pug and there is none of these available.

September 18, 2009, 12:28 PM

#44 (permalink)

Majestrix

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Majestrix
80 Human Warlock
Kargath US PvE
Guild: Keepers of the Old Ways
Profile: Blizzard Armory
Talent Spec: 1/55/15

Re: Destro Spec - my DPS makes me cry :(

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Originally Posted by Tumlingen

I wasn't responding to your post when I played the unhelpful card as you put it, but since you asked.

Sarcasm doesn't translate well on the internet. So its entirely possible someone new may see your post and take it as fact. As such I, pointed out that many people don't have the luxury of a s.preist. Nothing more, nothing less.

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September 21, 2009, 08:03 AM	#45 (permalink)
Phaeroe Character Info Phaeroe 80 Human Warlock Darkspear US PvP Guild: Rest In Peace Profile: Blizzard Armory Talent Spec: 0/41/30	Re: Destro Spec - my DPS makes me cry :( I've read many of these post and I'm confused about something. I read that all the haste we need is something like 238 (if we have a boomkin in party). Currently I have 458 hit as I'm well over the cap. Should I regem for haste and get rid of my hit gems to raise my dps. Also, if I do regem for haste, what happens if I'm in a raid with no boomkin. Will my dps drop even more cause my hit is too low?

September 21, 2009, 08:09 AM

#46 (permalink)

Evictoray

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Evictoray
80 Undead Warlock
maiev US PvP
Profile: Blizzard Armory

Re: Destro Spec - my DPS makes me cry :(

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Originally Posted by Phaeroe

I read that all the haste we need is something like 238 (if we have a boomkin in party).

Where did you read that?

September 21, 2009, 09:43 AM

#47 (permalink)

dethkrik

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Dethkrik
80 Blood Elf Warlock
Turalyon US PvE
Guild: War Machine

Re: Destro Spec - my DPS makes me cry :(

Quote:

Originally Posted by Phaeroe

I've read many of these post and I'm confused about something. I read that all the haste we need is something like 238 (if we have a boomkin in party). Currently I have 458 hit as I'm well over the cap. Should I regem for haste and get rid of my hit gems to raise my dps. Also, if I do regem for haste, what happens if I'm in a raid with no boomkin. Will my dps drop even more cause my hit is too low?

Umm, no. Not sure where you read that (or when, as things change from time to time with patches), but it is very off. The general consensus for Destro is 400-500 haste is a good soft cap to shoot for, as you will be hitting the global cooldown when Backdraft proc's during a Bloodlust/Heroism. As that is only going to be about 9-12 cast in the whole fight, there isn't much of a problem with pushing past that, but it is a good number to shoot for.

As far as switching gems, never gem for crit, haste, or spirit (in just to be clear, never ever for stamina, intellect, or MP5 in your raiding gear). Always gem for Hit if you are not capped and once you are capped, Spellpower (except to unlock the Meta bonus). Spellpower is about 40% better per point than haste or crit, so no matter what, your DPS will do better with +Spellpower. Try to get your haste from gear. The best thing is to have a balance between haste and crit.

September 21, 2009, 11:20 AM	#48 (permalink)
Jenren22 Character Info Jenerena 80 Blood Elf Warlock Executus Euro PvP Guild: Deliverance Profile: Blizzard Armory Talent Spec: 0/13/58	Re: Destro Spec - my DPS makes me cry :( I would like to also add that you should never gem for hit unless you have taken suppression and are using all the hit gear that you have (that is decent), and you are still under the cap.

September 21, 2009, 12:03 PM

#49 (permalink)

Tumlingen

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Bestlockdk
80 Undead Warlock
Burning Steppes Euro PvP
Guild: Niflheim
Profile: Blizzard Armory
Talent Spec: 0/13/58

Re: Destro Spec - my DPS makes me cry :(

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Originally Posted by dethkrik

As far as switching gems, never gem for crit, haste, or spirit (in just to be clear, never ever for stamina, intellect, or MP5 in your raiding gear). Always gem for Hit if you are not capped and once you are capped, Spellpower (except to unlock the Meta bonus). Spellpower is about 40% better per point than haste or crit, so no matter what, your DPS will do better with +Spellpower. Try to get your haste from gear. The best thing is to have a balance between haste and crit.

Not necessarily true - if the socket bonus is catchy (7 or 9 SP, in some cases 5) you should gem SP/haste, making the assumption that you're hitcapped.

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