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Old August 05, 2004, 09:44 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Violent Video Games Under Attack

NEW YORK -- The video-game industry seems to delight in pushing the envelope -- and the bounds of good taste -- with ever-gorier content. That has put it under renewed attack from legislators and activists who claim some titles must be kept out of kids' hands, though courts have repeatedly granted games First Amendment protections.

The opponents cite new research that they say suggests strong links between violent games and aggressive behavior. They are disturbed by games' cultural ubiquity and the always-improving technology that makes virtual gore more realistic than ever.

"Pediatricians and psychologists have been warning us that violent video games are harmful to children," said Mary Lou Dickerson, a Democratic legislator in Washington state who wrote a law now being challenged in federal court -- banning the sale of some violent games to kids. "I'm optimistic that the courts will heed their warnings."

Lawmakers in at least seven states proposed bills during the most recent legislative session that would restrict the sale of games, part of a wave that began when the 1999 Columbine High School shootings sparked an outcry over games and violence. None of the measures that passed have survived legal challenge.

The game industry says legislating ultra-violent games out of the hands of children would deal a severe blow to free speech. Game companies point to the industry-imposed ratings system that gives detailed descriptions of violence in a game and labels some titles as "mature" or "adults only."

"Does it make any rational sense to you that we're going to pass a law someplace that says we're not going to prevent minors from buying Passion of the Christ or Kill Bill or Texas Chainsaw Massacre in a local store but you can't buy Resident Evil? " said Douglas Lowenstein, president of the Entertainment Software Association, referring to three violent movies and a popular horror-action game.

The debate reflects a divide in the way people perceive games. Are games harmless, perhaps even cathartic, as many people who grew up playing them believe? Or are they teaching kids to be more aggressive, and in extreme cases, to kill?

To game opponents -- many of whom admit they don't play video games -- it's the latter. They point to new studies that purport to show a stronger link between violent games and aggressive behavior than ever.

"On average, there is a significant tendency for the studies to yield an increase in aggression by those who have played the violent games," said Craig Anderson, an Iowa State University professor and leading researcher on the effects of media violence.

There is also the inescapable fact that the military uses video games to train its soldiers. A 2003 University of Rochester study found that young adults who played a lot of fast-paced video games showed better visual skills than those who did not.

Author Evan Wright ponders the effects of video games on you.S. soldiers in the current Iraq war in his new book Generation Kill. In an endorsement that Grand Theft Auto creator Rockstar Games would probably rather not get, he quotes one you.S. soldier as saying an ambush felt just like playing the game.

"It felt like I was living it when I seen the flames coming out of windows, the blown-up car in the street, guys crawling around shooting at us," the soldier says.

The next 12 months could see a flurry of new scrutiny of violent games because three controversial franchises are due to release sequels. They include Doom, notorious as a favorite of the Columbine killers; Mortal Kombat, with its calls for a player to "finish" opponents in myriad gruesome ways; and Grand Theft Auto, which exhorted players in its latest iteration to start a Cuban-Haitian race war.

Meanwhile, we're in the midst of a gaming explosion. Deloitte & Touche predicts the worldwide number of "game compliant devices" other than PCs -- mobile phones, consoles, and handheld computers, for example -- will see a six-fold rise by 2010, from 415 million now to 2.6 billion.

For some legislators, that's a call to arms. Some want the violence in some games declared obscene.

"You can carve out some exceptions to the First Amendment when it is determined that these things we are talking about -- like pornography, like alcohol, like tobacco, and so on -- have harmful effects to children," Leland Yee, a Democrat in the California Assembly.

Past efforts have failed, often because of challenges from the Entertainment Software Association.

A St. Louis County law that would have limited children's access to video games was rejected in the 8th you.S. Circuit Court of Appeals. A bill by Yee that sought to restrict the sale of games died in committee.

Nationally, proposed legislation by Rep. Joe Baca (D-California) would penalize retailers who rent or sell games with violent, sexual or other "harmful" content to minors. A version was killed in 2002 but a revised draft is making its way through the Judiciary Committee, with 43 co-sponsors.

Among games' most vocal critics is Jack Thompson, a Florida lawyer who has tried, so far without success, to argue for acquittal of defendants in violent crime cases in which he believed that games made them do it.

"There's a culpability here that should be shared by those who are training kids to kill," Thompson said.

Thompson is part of a $246 million case filed last year that accuses Rockstar Games, Sony Entertainment and other companies of causing two teenage stepbrothers to shoot and kill a motorist, and wound another, in Tennessee last year. The boys, who pleaded guilty to reckless homicide, reckless endangerment and aggravated assault, told authorities they were inspired by the Grand Theft Auto series; Thompson and another lawyer are suing on behalf of the victims.

Game makers have been largely silent on the issue. Rockstar and several major publishers refused to comment.

Still, the notion that games should be restricted is accepted elsewhere. New Zealand, Brazil, Germany and several other nations have outlawed some games.

In Britain, the makers of the Resident Evil series were made to change the color of blood from red to green, while the creators of Carmageddon had to make the people you run over in your car look more like zombies than average pedestrians.

Game makers counter that parents are responsible for the games kids play -- and need to understand that games aren't just for kids anymore. Some evidence also exists that kids don't particularly seek out violent games and don't have unfettered access to them.

The National Institute for Media and the Family, a critic of violent games, reports that 79 percent of stores it surveys prohibit selling mature-rated games to kids. Many major chains -- including Wal-Mart, Best Buy and Electronics Boutique of America -- will have a carding policy in effect by the end of 2004, though the titles are available over the Internet.

Grand Theft Auto: Vice City, the best-selling game of 2002, was the only mature-rated game among the top 10 for 2003, according to NPD Fungroup, at No. 6.

Vice City trailed the top title, Madden NFL 2004, as well as two Pokemon games and The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker, a Nintendo tale featuring a kid in a green outfit who travels by talking boat and pals around with an excitable fairy named Tingle.

And the most popular computer game of all time is Electronic Arts' The Sims, in which the player is virtually incapable of committing any act of violence whatsoever.

American McGee, who in 2000 made the last mature-rated game for Electronic Arts, American McGee's Alice, said game publishers try not to engage in the debate over whether violent games cause violent behavior.

"They look at how hypocritical our society is when it comes to judging the content or sexuality in the media," McGee said. "And they look at how these double standards or triple standards are applied to films versus games or music versus games or written fiction versus games, and it's a silly argument to get involved in."

Information Source : Wired News

My Thoughts :
I have heard everything from Marilyn Manson to Movies, Video Games to TV Shows being blamed for children's behaviour. I am no expert in their behaviours and why they do things, but I do work with children as a profession so I do get to see a lot of different kids. Personally, I look at the parents in a lot of the cases... not going to be all aged pensioner on you, but I remember when I was growing up I had rules, chores and certain things I just knew I wouldn't get away with. I would say excuse me if two adults were having a conversation and I wanted to butt in...

These days, something that really irks me is the lack of control that parents have over their kids. Prime example : Mother is cooking dinner, it's about half an hour away... with back to the kids, child number one opens the fridge and starts munching away on cheese or what ever they see. Child number 2 sees this, thinks yeah I'm hungry too, goes to the cupboard and pulls out a packet of chips. I'm sorry but I used to have to ASK my parents for any food unless it was fruit, and even then that close to dinner I would usually be told to wait.

The "No's, Don't Care, Go always" I hear come out of children's mouths usually directed at their parents astounds me... if I ever had the guts to say that to my mother when I was growing up I knew I didn't have the legs to out run her. I see a lot of parents just ignoring their kids more than anything because it's too much hard work or time consuming to teach them proper manners. And the worst part is I won't stand for it, and if a child tells me, "You're not the boss of me so I will do what I want", they get one hell of a surprise when I prove otherwise and 99% of the time they are sent to their room. "Sorry kid, but when I am the only one here older than 10, that makes me the boss!"

Parents blame video games, TV shows, Movies, Music and what ever else they want because no one wants to look at themselves and say, "Hey, maybe I f*cked up..." it's always "someone else..."

Gonna stop ranting now lol, basically I feel very passionately against these sorts of claims because a) I play video games so have first hand knowledge against parents when they try to lay the blame (something that does not normally go over well) and b) I'm sick of no one taking responsibility for their own actions in stuffing up their kids lives when they proverbial shit hits the fan....

*breaths....breaths....* LOL
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Old August 05, 2004, 01:29 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Violent Video Games Under Attack

get em girl!!!

I'm glad to know that there are other people out there they were rasied and think the same as I do. I'm coming from a younger generation then most of the regular posters on this board (18 atm) and I swear I have never seen so many people ALWAYS trying to weasle their way out of the shit holes they create..... It makes me sick to think that someone can shoot someone else and then get away with it b/c 'my computer taught me to do it' or 'I saw it on T.V.' I can watch T.V. too..... I can turn the news on and decided to go and kill Americans just b/c... or I can open up a history book and decided to kill Jews just b/c.....

We live in a bad world filled with bad people..... it's our actions that makes us who we are and how we are viewed......

PLAIN AND SIMPLE (even though I an't all that relgious someone got it write when they wrote) 'Do unto others and you want done unto you'

stay safe everyone,
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Old August 05, 2004, 03:15 PM   #3 (permalink)
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Violent Video Games Under Attack

i've said it a hundred times before and i'm sure i'll say it a hundred times more.

treat the disease, not the symptoms.

if someone is drawn to violent images/actions then you should figure out why. not accuse those images of invoking violence. they merely shine light on a problem that is already there. it's similar to the "guns don't kill people, people kill people" arguement but in a more sensible presentation.
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Old August 06, 2004, 03:41 AM   #4 (permalink)
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I like video games because I can do what I would NEVER do in real life. (ex: killing, stealing, conquering etc.) :!:
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