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April 09, 2008, 05:52 PM
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Wanevinali 70 Gnome Warlock Maelstrom US Guild: The Late Night Crew Talent Spec: 0/21/40 |
Haste and the Raiding Warlock...
Ok, short and sweet. For a raiding warlock such as myself (SSC farm mode, working on kael, and 2 bosses down in MH) is it worth going for the haste? my thing has always been the reason warlocks are so bad *** in end game raiding is because we're l33t. but to be l33t, we have to have a ridiculously high hit cap, high crit, and high damage. The thing i've seen in this new haste gear is it either has damage haste, or crit damage haste (not all four that is needed.) so is this looking like haste is not for warlocks? or that crit is not as important if you have the hastE? or what? please, only actual raiders post. i dont want "well when i'm in normal MGT i find my 50 haste works great!" |
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April 09, 2008, 10:45 PM
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re: Haste and the Raiding Warlock...
me and a good friend of mine who is also a lock have basically same gear qualities (damage,hit). Only difference is he has more crit than me but I have some haste gear. For the most part I out dps him always as long as he doesnt have a druid with him for the extra +crit. im sure there are plenty of other posts which talk about haste here as well. |
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April 09, 2008, 11:07 PM
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re: Haste and the Raiding Warlock...
For the nuking lock, haste is the best stat after crit.
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April 09, 2008, 11:09 PM
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Banatu 80 Blood Elf Rogue Kel'Thuzad US PvP Guild: Massacre Profile: Blizzard Armory Talent Spec: 41/5/25 |
re: Haste and the Raiding Warlock...
Haste is a little better for DPS than crit is, and considering the fact that for the same item budget as crit you get a lot more % haste (15.77 per 1% vs. 22.1 per 1%) haste is the stat to stack after about 1300 raid buffed +damage. Before that, it's +damage. After hit of course.
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April 10, 2008, 06:29 AM
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re: Haste and the Raiding Warlock...
So what is the haste cap for warlocks? |
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April 10, 2008, 06:54 AM
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Kordansk 70 Orc Warlock Skullcrusher US PvP Guild: Beatdown Brigade Talent Spec: 0/21/40 |
re: Haste and the Raiding Warlock...
Best I think at the moment is around 25%. However, the best possible which isn't currently available nor allowed is getting enough haste to have your SB=GCD. |
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April 10, 2008, 07:17 AM
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Kobekid 80 Human Warlock Kilrogg US PvE Guild: Good With Ketchup Profile: Blizzard Armory Talent Spec: 0/13/58 |
re: Haste and the Raiding Warlock...
Your spells cannot ever go under a 1 second cast because then you hit the GCD. It used to be that haste wouldn't reduce the GCD, but 2.4 changed that so spell haste can lower the GCD down to 1 second. A few things to note. -As Cynic said, 1% cast time reduction is 15.77 points of spell haste. -You really never want to have that much spell haste to take your spells down to 2.5 seconds though, mostly because of heroism/bloodlust. This a 30% spell haste increase and stacks multiplicatively. -0/21/40 shadow best benefits from spell haste because since it is the longest nuking spell, each percentage of spell haste takes off more cast time than say a 1.5 DoT or a 2.25 Incinerate cast. I'll finish up the exact math tomorrow...it's 3AM here and I have to sleep. 
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April 10, 2008, 10:54 AM
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Warpy 80 Human Warlock Kul Tiras US PvE Profile: Blizzard Armory Talent Spec: 53/0/18 |
re: Haste and the Raiding Warlock...
Wanevinali, both of the links in your profile lead to dead pages.  So I can't really look at your gear for more specific thoughts, but in general:I love spell haste! It's good stuff for affliction warlocks, especially because it reduces GCD, but also because it gets so hard to keep stacking spell damage beyond a certain point. Spell haste is fabulous stuff for a Shadow Bolt-spamlock like myself, because more SBs = more damage, both regular and crit! Unlike crit, there are no diminishing returns on spell haste when it comes to keeping up the Shadow Vulnerability debuff on my victims (the one cause by Improved Shadow Bolt). And spell haste gives me a head start on using up the Shadow Vulnerability debuff in a raid with other shadowcasters! 
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April 10, 2008, 01:26 PM
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Banatu 80 Blood Elf Rogue Kel'Thuzad US PvP Guild: Massacre Profile: Blizzard Armory Talent Spec: 41/5/25 |
re: Haste and the Raiding Warlock...
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The reason shadow benefits from haste more than fire is indeed the longer cast times. But it's because of latency, not the haste/time effect. 200ms latency on a 2.5 second spell is less of a % than 200 ms latency on say, a 2.25 second spell. 2.7/2.5= 8% time lost to latency 2.45/2.25= 9% time lost to latency The effect compounds with the higher your lag goes.
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I'd mana tap that. |
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April 10, 2008, 01:37 PM
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Kaleethra 70 Undead Warlock Eonar US PvE Profile: Blizzard Armory Talent Spec: 0/21/40 |
re: Haste and the Raiding Warlock...
Spell haste does have diminishing returns in a way. Casting more SBs for less damage and less criticals means you are using more mana for the same damage you could get with more spell damage and critical chance %. So don't sacrifice the other stats too much for haste exclusively. |
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