being out dps'd by a lesser geared lock

[toulon666]

I know there's a crapton of threads like this, but from Sunday nite's Hjyal farm my GM finally ran WWS to check my DPS and found I'm being out dps'd by a lesser geared Destro lock.

(Krogan is our ultra decked out Destro lock so I'm not going to match his dps or damage done)

Here's the stats.. http://wowwebstats.com/ptgtd2rg1ptgw

if you check out the Kaz'rogal fight (since pretty much just stand there) and you can see Kry did so much more DPS than myself.

The World of Warcraft Armory (Riding Crop is where my blessings deck is)

The World of Warcraft Armory

My rotation is Curse of Elements (we run with 2-4 Fire Mages and 1 Shadow Priest) then spam Shadowbolt, the only thing I could think of maybe is I'm lifetaping at inoppertune times wasting a global cd. (Krogan does CoS and Kry Curse of Agony or CoD)

Altho looking now I'm seeing I used DrainLife more than the other 2 (Krogan didn't use it at all). Which I typical do use if I'm like 1/2 on hp and haven't gotten a heal, I keep my pots/healthstones for "oh skit" sudden life drops. But in this fight (and in Na'jentus) after I lifetap or the bubble breaks I drainlife to regain hp. Maybe that's my problem and I should just pot at that point instead??

Any suggestions on improving my output would be appreciated.

We're now working on Illidan so I won't get my T6 hat until AFTER Illidan is dead.

T

[Sashivna]

I'm no numbers cruncher, and have called on some help for myself, but....

here are some things I noticed from a quick glance at that fight.

Kry cast 10 more SBs than you did and they maxed for more damage.

He also had more DPS time than you. Maybe it is too much drain life.

Do you have any lag spikes that would cause you to take longer casting, etc.? Are you popping your trinkets?

Again, this is just from a cursory look. Some of the better locks around here could probably help you out more.

[Amsiroth]

Couple of things I noticed:

-You used drainlife more than he did (4 ticks versus 15).
-Kry had 10 more shadowbolts than you did.
-Kry had about 30 secs longer of DPS time.
-You lifetapped less than he did.

I'm not an expert at analyzing WWS reports, but a 30 second difference is a lot of time lost. My only question is why is there less DPS time for you? That would seem to account for the disparity for the most part.

[vosef]

I have not viewed the WWS, but I have viewed the armory link.

A few questions about raid set up: Can you be more detailed about what group you are in? What other classes/specs are in that group? What group is the lesser lock usually in?

In reference to your gear, it seems like you are stacking spell damage more then anything; I'd be putting haste gems in at least the T6. IMO, 10 haste > 10 crit > 10 spell damage.

However I play with locks who definitely out gear me as well. I typically am on par with them. Gear is one thing, lag and reaction time are completely different.

[Lylie]

He didn't out DPS you he out damaged you.

On bosses you don't have near as many shadowbolts, in addition the lesser geared lock is using CoD. Which helps significantly in your dps.

For bosses you still out damaged him, not dps though.

Personally, I feel your crit is still too low, even though you had more crit on bosses then the other guy. I also don't think you're as much more geared then you think. I would say you two are fairly evenly geared, even though he doesn't have near as many GREAT items he has quite a few good items that make up for it.

The other observation I'm making is you have ~80 haste, he has none, and he's casting more SB's for the night. You should theoretically have more casts then he does.

If you click, keybind it because it makes a world of difference especially if you macro in your trink's so they're ALWAYS used. Other then that I think you really are fine, just try to squeeze a few more out and you're good to go, and beg to use Doom :-P

[Solarus]

Did you die on that fight? I can't see how you stopped dps for so long.

The mana burn doesnt hurt you so much to the point where you have to stop DPS. In fact it's better to time your lifetapping before the manaburn so you can dps while it's going on.

An example of this would be: You're on 5k mana 5 seconds before a manaburn. Lifetap x3 up to full mana, dps through the mana burn. Repeat. You waste dps by waiting for the mana burn to hurt you before you lifetap.

Also the mana burn doesnt hurt your healers so much to the point that they can't heal. If it is, they are slacking. I don't see why you should have to use drain life ever on this fight.

Also I tend to ignore the DPS on WWS reports, regardless of what people say about it. At the end of the day somebody who did more damage ultimately knows better what they're doing on that fight than somebody who did less damage.

[levinho]

Well going through WWS, I see that on almost every fight he hit the boss with something more times than you did. That might mean that its the dot that he put up or something but that would account for the dps time being different.

Also I see you gained both drums and mojo madness only 4 times for all of hyjal. Most of those bosses you could pop the cooldown twice. For that matter I see only Krogan and Kry as having used soulshatter. Perhaps you should shatter than pop your trinket and go all out. I usually try for around 50-60% health and as close to riding threat as possible.

A couple other things I noticed, deathcoil was used by both the other locks, kry used shadowburn 11 times, really though the 1.1k ticks of Curse of Agony and the 17 CoD add up to a huge difference in damage output.

My last point: your gear really isn't that much better than his. Both of you are a bit low on crit (around 20%), both of you are hit capped, and both of you have around 1.3k shadow damage (matter of fact i think he has about 10 more not counting your blessings deck). The only stat it looks like your over him by a large amount is haste. Considering haste, its a problem that you casted less shadowbolts than he did. Most likely something to do with your movement and positioning.

P.S. I totally agree that Drain Life is unnecessary for Kaz'rogal. As a matter of fact it shouldn't be used on any fight except for bloodboil or RoS phase 3 as destro. Pop hs and pot cd before ever using drainlife.

[tireghali]

Krogan - DPS time 22 %
1206 SB
3961 Soc

Toulon - DPS time 18 %
736 SB
3247 Soc


2 things here;

1) you got about 8 min in dps time less than Krogan, this is alot, did you die more?
2) i see lot more crit from Krogan, what was is group like vs yours ... Spriest, Ele Shammy, Moonkin ... this would me a big diff as well

[Cascade]

Kry cast about 10-20% more SBs than you.
He was far more active and it shows by the damage output.
Even compare yourselves to krogan, he was far more active in SB casts and again it shows in the damage.

Be a tree. Plant your self and constantly spam SB. Be ready to move only if needed. You're both almost identical on the movement fights, its the stationary ones you seem to be struggling at.


Overall, I think you just need more experience.
some tips:
Why don't you use death coil? Why not?
hellfire saves a repair bill on a wipe.
Use an infernal on the early bosses. Anetheron and Azgalor are easy choices...it'll add 30k damage just off the top.
trust your healers...if you're under 2k, then HS, heal or whatever but not until then.

lastly, Kry should be casting CoR if CoS and CoE are up.

just my opinion

[levinho]

I have to agree with Cascade about CoR. We use it on everything pretty much (well not RoS or Bloodboil). Since you have that extra lock you should put up more utility curses, the damage curse is probably not enough to match the benefit to your melee from CoR. Alone it adds at least 3% and if you have more armor reducing buffs/equipment then CoR only scales with it.