Crit vs. spell damage

[zeal411]

Which is better, 1100 shadow with 25.36% crit or 1236 shadow damage with 23.56% crit. Numbers may be a bit off the server is down atm so numbers maybe a bit off but are very close. I am sorry if I am posting this in the wrong spot, I know the order for a destro lock is plus hit, +spell damage + crit and then +haste, However to keep the would it better to have the chance of keeping the improved shadow bolt buff up from critting or have my non crits hit harder. I feel like a nub asking but the numbers are very close. It helps to have fellow warlocks look this over.

EDIT: Please make title indictive of what the thread is about.

[Faraque]

If that 25% or 23% is base tooltip crit, and you are using the standard destro build, take the 1236 shadow damage and 23%. You get an additional 8% crit from talents for shadowbolt, so you're over 30% actual crit. You need 25% actual crit to keep ISB up for yourself, so, you're good.

[zeal411]

Thanks for the quick response, thats about what I thought, and yes I am using the standard build 0/21/40. If anyone else have questions or comments please feel free to post.

[xTAGx Wizard]

You actually only get an extra 5% above the tooltip from talents. 3% is included in the TT.

[King Crab]

go with the damage. It really depends on group makeup. if you have a lot of locks with isb that can make up for lost crits, but if you're the only one then crit becomes more important. But, if that 23.56% is TT, then you're more than fine with crit (don't forget all the crit group buffs you can get).

[badkarma138]

136 spell damage will always be better than 42 crit rating points.

[Milusmilus]

HI all ,

for pvp:
136 spell damage will always be better than 42 crit rating points.

for pve:
42 crit rating points will always be better than 139 Sdmg

[Nimpimpy]

Originally Posted by Milusmilus

for pve:
42 crit rating points will always be better than 139 Sdmg

Completely disagree.

139 Spell damage will vastly out dps 42 Crit rating points.

[Malevevely]

139 is hands down better then 42 crit rating for both pvp and pve. TT crit is increased by 5% in a destro build or if you are aff then it would be the 8% from backlash and devastation.

[badkarma138]

Originally Posted by Milusmilus

for pve:
42 crit rating points will always be better than 139 Sdmg

incorrect. and while it has been pointed out already, it needs pointed out again to forestall bad info getting put out.

In order for 42 crit to equal 136 spell damage, you would have to get more than 3 times the DPS value from every crit rating point than you get from each spell damage point. I will eat my monitor if you can find an instance where that is true for a shadow lock.