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March 04, 2009, 12:46 PM
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Darksumoner 80 Human Warlock Tanaris US PvE Guild: Samsara Profile: Blizzard Armory Talent Spec: 0/13/58 |
Lightweave VS. Haste Cloak
Well im in the middle of a heated discussion within the guild between which of these is better ATM. Not in Uludar gear but ATM I understand when our Crit/SP goes up to such a level that Haste will eventualy out do Lightweave because Lightweave does not take into account Spell power Bonus. Although It can Crit. I come here to the Den for help though. At what level does this come into play or is there still a general consensus that one is better then the other. I hear different stories from a while back. but when i try to find more recent posts people are not including any math with there findings can anyone help me out here that has done the math on this.
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March 04, 2009, 12:56 PM
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Gwilly 80 Orc Warlock crushridge US PvP Guild: Judge Jury Executioner Profile: RPG Outfitters Talent Spec: 53/1/17 |
Re: Lightweave VS. Haste Cloak
I don't have a 'definitive' answer for you, but I went with haste (even tho I am a tailor). In addition, check this post out for a good change to lightweave embroidery -- Finally a decent boost for Tailoring? - The Warlocks Den Forums It appears that lighweave is being changed to a chance to proc +250 spellpower for 15 seconds, in the upcoming 3.1 patch. (edit: changed to the correct 15 second duration) Last edited by Gwilly; March 04, 2009 at 01:38 PM.. |
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March 04, 2009, 01:23 PM
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Darksumoner 80 Human Warlock Tanaris US PvE Guild: Samsara Profile: Blizzard Armory Talent Spec: 0/13/58 |
Re: Lightweave VS. Haste Cloak
Yeah I love that Change im sure that theres goign to be CD time on that too but still nice change.
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March 04, 2009, 02:23 PM
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Shilah 80 Blood Elf Warlock Quel'Thalas Euro PvE Guild: Reign Profile: Blizzard Armory Talent Spec: 2/13/56 |
Re: Lightweave VS. Haste Cloak
Isn't it still worse than for instance 3 dragon's eyes (32sp each), especially since they cover 2 blue gems needed for the best metagem? I've read somewhere that the new lightweave gives around 24 dps, while replacing my two purified twilight opals and one reckless noble topaz with dragon's eyes according to Leulier spreadsheet (not updated for 3.1) gives MUCH more. I am currently specced destro (probably going 0/41/30 after the patch), enchanter/tailor and I'm seriously considering dropping tailoring for JC, even with the newest changes. Any advice?
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March 04, 2009, 03:12 PM
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Re: Lightweave VS. Haste Cloak
The new Lightweave change on the PTR is being reported on EJ as being as much as 80dps+ increase so i think it would be safe to assume that its going to be better than the haste enchant. As for the haste enchant vs current Lightweave, from what ive seen on some wws the Lightweave can contribute as much as 1-2% total damage done.....can/will the haste enchant alone do that? JC right now is very tastey...the prismatics and the ability to make up a meta bonus without stress alone is very attractive. The only question i have really regarding a switch from Tailoring to JC is this, how good will those epic gems be that will no doubt be knocking about come 3.1? Are they that close to the current JC prismatics that it turns out you only gain a very small dps increase from JC? I think ill sit on the wall for this one and see how the possible tailoring buff turns out coupled with the epic gems possibly incoming 
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March 04, 2009, 03:30 PM
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Shilah 80 Blood Elf Warlock Quel'Thalas Euro PvE Guild: Reign Profile: Blizzard Armory Talent Spec: 2/13/56 |
Re: Lightweave VS. Haste Cloak
Not exactly true. The only confirmed atm epic gem from Ulduar is unique-equipped has not much to do with JC, also there is a nice post (by Toffel) about permanent enchant vs proc enchant Simulationcraft on post-3.1 specs - Page 18 - Elitist Jerks Tough choice...
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March 04, 2009, 03:46 PM
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Lepremessiah 80 Blood Elf Warlock Ysera US PvE PvP Guild: Sick Puppies Profile: Blizzard Armory Talent Spec: 0/51/20 |
Re: Lightweave VS. Haste Cloak
yeah, the new lightweave is a really strong proc enchant. One of the things i really like is my ability to proc this before I even cast my first spell. This is done (mostly on my priest) by casting inner fire several times to get the proc up, then I start my rotation, its a great way to get a bit of ummpphh from the get go the proc is 15sec @ 250SP, 45sec internal CD, ANY spell including buffs (as I pointed out) can proc this... I for one, am grateful. Makes being a tailor JC much more entertaining
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March 04, 2009, 03:49 PM
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Aily 80 Human Warlock Doomhammer US PvE Guild: Arisen Profile: Blizzard Armory Talent Spec: 53/1/17 |
Re: Lightweave VS. Haste Cloak
There's no way in the world I'd give up my almost 450 tailoring for 39 SP and then have to actually spend money on the spellthreads. |
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March 04, 2009, 08:23 PM
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Re: Lightweave VS. Haste Cloak
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Wait and see i think is prolly the best plan of action...maybe tailoring will be worth keeping...have to admit though i have also considered dropping it
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March 04, 2009, 08:31 PM
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Luxury 80 Blood Elf Warlock Deathwing US PvP Guild: Addiction Profile: Blizzard Armory Talent Spec: 54/0/17 |
Re: Lightweave VS. Haste Cloak
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Also note that his point about movement is also mitigated by the fact that as an affliction warlock (or any warlock) you should be doing SOMETHING when you are casting. And reports have shown that the new Lightweave enchant procs similarly to other 'equip' effects, in other words, literally off of everything. |
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