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Old May 14, 2009, 06:53 PM   #1 (permalink)

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Imsety
80 Undead Warlock
Anub'arak US PvP
Guild: Noob Explosion
Talent Spec: 0/17/54
3.1 Destro PVE locks: Stats, Stats, Stats

hello there my friends.

well i am a destro raider, and i was just wondering what kind of stats you guys are trying to attain? i'm heavily ulduar geared out.. but now im reaching a crossroads and i cant make a choice.

im currently sitting on unbuffed (no fel, no stone):

~2105 sp
~hitcapped
~24%crit
~310 haste

i was shuffling my gear around and cant make decisions whether or not i should keep boosting my crit up, start bring my haste up, (obviously ima stack sp as much as possible)

what kind of numbers would be ideal for us to achieve optimum dps? (obviously while keeping hit capped, haha it gets tricky when i move items around)

thanks for any input ya'll can give.


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Old May 15, 2009, 06:40 AM   #2 (permalink)

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Ukiri
80 Blood Elf Warlock
Stormscale Euro PvP
Guild: None Currently
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Re: Destro PVE locks: Stats, Stats, Stats

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i was shuffling my gear around and cant make decisions whether or not i should keep boosting my crit up, start bring my haste up, (obviously ima stack sp as much as possible)
From what I understand, haste is more valuable than crit, even as destro. I have seen a few posts around here discussing haste vs. crit, you can find them with the search function. Also, here are the scaling factors as per Elitist Jerks:

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Warlock_T8_00_13_58 Int=0.63 Spi=0.83 SP=1.55 Crit=0.99 Haste=1.32
Warlock_T8_00_40_31 Int=0.30 Spi=0.83 SP=1.31 Crit=0.78 Haste=1.18
Warlock_T8_00_41_30 Int=0.27 Spi=0.77 SP=1.23 Crit=0.69 Haste=1.32
Warlock_T8_03_13_55 Int=0.28 Spi=0.94 SP=1.49 Crit=0.97 Haste=1.37
Warlock_T8_03_52_16 Int=0.35 Spi=1.32 SP=1.18 Crit=0.34 Haste=0.73
Warlock_T8_53_00_18 Int=0.30 Spi=0.78 SP=1.56 Crit=0.80 Haste=0.98
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Old May 20, 2009, 06:00 PM   #3 (permalink)
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Svogithyr
80 Undead Warlock
Shadowsong US PvE
Profile: Blizzard Armory
Talent Spec: 0/17/54
3.1 Re: Destro PVE locks: Stats, Stats, Stats

Quick question on the numbers there: The higher the number, the greater priority, correct? I would imagine since it makes sense.

So for:
Warlock_T8_03_13_55 Int=0.28 Spi=0.94 SP=1.49 Crit=0.97 Haste=1.37

I should focus on SP>Haste>Crit>Spirit>Int?
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Old May 20, 2009, 06:46 PM   #4 (permalink)

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Lathiel
80 Blood Elf Warlock
Chamber of Aspects Euro PvE
Guild: Penance
Profile: Blizzard Armory
Talent Spec: 3/14/54
Re: Destro PVE locks: Stats, Stats, Stats

The 13/58 spec gets the most benefit from gear stats than any other spec, so good gear is a must.

It still holds true that haste is slightly better than crit, but I believe in this spec, that you need enough crit to begin to see nice numbers.

As always, a balance of stats is the best approach. Use Firestone as 13/58, since the 1% extra damage and extra crit is better than the spellstone.
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Old May 20, 2009, 07:43 PM   #5 (permalink)

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Shadow Council US RP Profile: Blizzard Armory
Talent Spec: 3/13/55
3.1 Re: Destro PVE locks: Stats, Stats, Stats

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So for:
Warlock_T8_03_13_55 Int=0.28 Spi=0.94 SP=1.49 Crit=0.97 Haste=1.37

I should focus on SP>Haste>Crit>Spirit>Int?
I wouldn't think warlocks should ever stack Int. I would think you would probably stick with:

Hit > Spell Power > Haste > Crit > Spirit.

Int effects your mana pool and contributes to your crit value but I think you'd be better off actually getting crit than int.
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Old May 21, 2009, 04:34 PM   #6 (permalink)

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Rachakuka
80 Undead Warlock
Gurubashi US PvP
Guild: Betrayers

3.1 Re: Destro PVE locks: Stats, Stats, Stats

Hi guys!

What is the basic status values for Destrucion to start Uldar 10 and 25?

SP=?
Hit=?
Crit=?
Hast=?

Thank you
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Old May 23, 2009, 01:10 AM   #7 (permalink)

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Locktopus
80 Undead Warlock
Kel'Thuzad US PvP
Guild: Mundus Vult Decipi
Talent Spec: 3/13/55
Re: Destro PVE locks: Stats, Stats, Stats

there is no clear cut definition to start ulduar.

hit = hitcapped
sp = naxx 25 geared
crit = high enough
haste = high enough.

also you can't scale what you need to do in ulduar 25 the same as ulduar 10.
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Old May 23, 2009, 03:11 AM   #8 (permalink)

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Zardie
80 Gnome Warlock
Anvilmar US PvE
Guild: Reverb
Talent Spec: 54/0/17
Re: Destro PVE locks: Stats, Stats, Stats

i was under the impression that crit was better than haste due to backdraft
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Old May 23, 2009, 03:59 AM   #9 (permalink)

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Ardvicio
80 Blood Elf Warlock
Silverwing Hold PvP
Guild: Dreamchaser
Profile: Blizzard Armory
Talent Spec: 0/17/54
Re: Destro PVE locks: Stats, Stats, Stats

Since haste reduce cast time by a percentage, it still provides near-equal benefits compared to non-backdraft builds. Add to the fact that crit requires more rating to accumulate to 1% than haste... well we can conclude haste is still superior.

Yes, I know Immolate and Conflag will have a disadvantage due to cast times longer than GCD, but our other spells benefit from haste greatly.
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Old May 23, 2009, 04:01 AM   #10 (permalink)

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Maddblazed
80 Undead Warlock
Tichondrius US PvP
Guild: Grim Vengeance
Profile: Blizzard Armory
Talent Spec: 3/13/55
3.1 Re: Destro PVE locks: Stats, Stats, Stats

Haste is considered better than Crit because point for point haste is worth more.
Also in my opinion, Haste is something you always have with you, Crit on the other hand falls into the hands of the RNG gods.
Plus, in a raid setting you get all kind of raid buffs... boomkin aura or elemental oath +5%, Scorch or ISB +5%, the small percentages from MoTW, Arcane Brilliance, Kings, totem of wrath +3% (not sure if this stacks) , Heart of the crusader (ret pali, again not sure if this stacks still) +3%, if you have 2 piece tier 7 added crit chance on our main fillers.... there are probably some things I have forgotten but you see the added crit from being in a group.
But I tend to stack nothing but spellpower, and if i had to choose, would most likely gem for spell power/haste over spell power/crit.

Oh yeah, and focus magic +3% crit !

Last edited by Maddblazed; May 23, 2009 at 04:04 AM.. Reason: forgot bout our mage friends and focus magic :P
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