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May 21, 2009, 01:02 AM
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Affliction Weight Stats (for Best In Slot Guide)
So... in case I decide I really am stupid enough to do another best in slot guide. Can anyone give me stat weights for Affliction? No Hit numbers needed since it will not be a 'if you need Hit' guide...
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May 21, 2009, 01:55 AM
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Re: Affliction Weight Stats (for Best In Slot Guide)
EJ used Warlock_T8_53_00_18 Int=0.30 Spi=0.78 SP=1.56 Crit=0.80 Haste=0.98 for their simcraft runs. Simulationcraft on post-3.1 specs - Elitist Jerks |
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May 21, 2009, 03:18 AM
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Cormanthor 80 Human Warlock Gnomeregan US PvE Guild: Knights who say Ni Profile: Blizzard Armory Talent Spec: Various |
Re: Affliction Weight Stats (for Best In Slot Guide)
I wouldn't necessarily trust the default values given by WoWHead, myself. It's just a gut reaction, probably, but the value of hit should be either >= spellpower (as in your Demo BiS guide), or zero for hit capped BiS guides like this one. And at max level, there is no +Shadow or +Fire damage any more, so strike those out. As well as the mp5 rating. I think they put the -100 attack power in to reduce the impact of warrior cloaks and the like. It should probably stay in the weight scale, but since you will be setting Hit to zero, it won't be much of an impact. So from what I keep hearing around here and elsewhere: Spellpower is wicked cool (100) Haste is outstanding (65) Spirit is great (50) Crit is really good (45) and Intellect is marginal (15) Resulting in this filter. Best of luck with the tables again. 
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May 22, 2009, 10:30 AM
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Katassia 80 Human Warlock Gnomeregan US PvE Guild: Fatal Nemesis Talent Spec: 52/2/17 |
Re: Affliction Weight Stats (for Best In Slot Guide)
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I've been using Bakka's spreadsheet and his sheet for my gear has crit with a higher weighted score than haste. Interesting that there is such a discrepancy between the two. |
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May 22, 2009, 11:17 AM
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lilsteele 80 Human Warlock Terenas Euro PvE |
Re: Affliction Weight Stats (for Best In Slot Guide)
@ebolaviruz EJ didn't use this numbers for the simulation... these numbers are the result of the simulations. @akasha The numbers quoted by ebolaviruz are more or less the best you can get. However, anything that represents the generally accepted trends (e.g. spellpower > anything else, haste > crit) will result in more or less the same gear ranking, so e.g. the numbers that cormanthor gives will result in a good ranking aswell. I've no good idea how to handle hit rating... And it might be useful to assign a dps value to the tier 7/8 set boni... Btw, do you use some tool to generate the tables automatically from some website's output, or do you do it by hand? @Katassia I don't have access to a working copy of MS excel so I can't use the spreadsheet... I've trying to find people who are interested in doing a comparison of spreadsheet and simcraft... but didn't find any. |
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May 22, 2009, 12:49 PM
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Katassia 80 Human Warlock Gnomeregan US PvE Guild: Fatal Nemesis Talent Spec: 52/2/17 |
Re: Affliction Weight Stats (for Best In Slot Guide)
I'm wondering if the reason that the SimCraft rates haste so highly is that BiS gear in T8 for locks doesn't really have much haste as compared to Naxx. From what I remember you get about 400 haste with BiS T8 (including hard mode gear) while most locks coming out of Naxx are at least at 600 haste or higher. I know that since I've picked up a bunch of Ulduar gear my haste has dropped by quite a bit. If I remember correctly (the spreadsheet isn't compatible with my excel here at work) I want to say that Bakka's spreadsheet with my haste (417) and my crit (355) still rates crit higher by about 0.1 (ie: haste = .7 and crit =.8). |
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May 22, 2009, 01:12 PM
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lilsteele 80 Human Warlock Terenas Euro PvE |
Re: Affliction Weight Stats (for Best In Slot Guide)
There are nice +haste items in ulduar, its just the tier 8 gear that comes with a lot of crit... :( A low haste rating can partially account for a high value. For affliction, the difference is not so large after all... .8 to .98... Besides that, I can't reproduce some of the scale factors that are given by EJ, by just running the default files (with enough iterations!). I can reproduce the DPS tables pretty well though, so I don't understand where this discrepancy comes from. Spirit tends to be slightly overrated due to the way the life tap glyph is used in the simulations. What does the spreadsheet say about crit vs. spirit/haste? |
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May 22, 2009, 02:42 PM
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Re: Affliction Weight Stats (for Best In Slot Guide)
@lilsteele I've been running these stats through wowhead/lootrank trying to help akasha get this going, but I can't seem to get plausable results. Like for chests, the spellfire robe still shows as top ten. Do you know of a better site? Or is it better to crunch everything individually? I guess anyone can answer these questions. Should the scaling factor for spirit be dropped a little since its most likely over valued? I'm just not agreeing with the results these two sites are outputting. |
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May 22, 2009, 03:21 PM
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Katassia 80 Human Warlock Gnomeregan US PvE Guild: Fatal Nemesis Talent Spec: 52/2/17 |
Re: Affliction Weight Stats (for Best In Slot Guide)
Shouldn't spirit be 1/3 the weight for spellpower? I don't know why the simulator is giving a value that is half of the spellpower. Seems a bit high. Like I said before, Bakka's spreadsheet with my stats still gives crit as having a heavier weight than haste with crit being worth about 0.8, haste about 0.7, and spellpower about 1.1 (these numbers are off memory so not 100% accurate). Last edited by Katassia; May 22, 2009 at 03:24 PM.. |
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May 22, 2009, 03:49 PM
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Kiralyn 80 Human Warlock Mal'Ganis US PvP Guild: Self Titled Profile: Blizzard Armory Talent Spec: 0.13.58 |
Re: Affliction Weight Stats (for Best In Slot Guide)
Alright, so this is all basically back to the conversation I was having about the new cpimp guide I was working on as far as determining stat weights. Here are some important points... 1) THIS WILL NEVER BE ACCURATE FOR ALL PLAYERS. Let me say that one more time. THIS WILL NEVER BE ACCURATE! Stat weights fluctuate based on your particular gear level. The slightest tweak to your stats, via gear changes or talents or buffs, is going to change these weighting. The best we can ever do is get an estimate across a variety of gear levels. 2) EJ numbers will work very well for a best-in-slot guide, but no so much for a gearing-your-warlock guide. I ran into this when trying to get to a single set of numbers. The argument that EJ rates haste to high because it's assuming uld gear is fine for a guide that will be showing uld gear! If we are using this for a best in slot guide, we need to know what scaling we see at the very top end. 3) We have to assume at the end of the day that there is some definitive source for this information, lest it all breaks down into a simcraft vs. spreadsheet vs. 'well I think this' argument. I think that simcraft is the best model the community has created to get this information and that we should trust it. Maybe we don't go that direction, but I can see no reason not to. As far as methodology, my suggestion is to put together a tentative list of BIS gear, and run those stat numbers through simcraft. That will give us an idea of scalars for that spec at a high gear level. We can then go back and apply these numbers to gear and make any necessary adjustments. If you really want accuracy, I'd run that gear again, get weights, and check gear again. Any changes can be looked at on a case by case basis and noted in the guide. The other thing I would recommend is tacking on a 'best slots for hit' section. If you remember I made a post on evaluating hit items based on a comparison against the BIS item, and getting a number representing how much 'dps' you lost to gain hit. Right now I'm doing this with bakka's spreadsheet and getting some odd numbers, so I'm not 100% sold on the validity yet. I also don't have correct values for trinket procs and on-use effects yet so that's ignoring a huge source of hit. If you're interested in that let me know once you get your scaling factors and I'll put it together, or feel free to rip off my methodology.
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