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Old June 28, 2009, 02:43 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Lakim
80 Undead Warlock
Daggerspine US PvP
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Talent Spec: 3/13/55
3.1 Warlock 4pT8

Quick question that hopefully someone knows the answer to, because I've been googling and googling and haven't come up with anything..

but does anyone know the rough +DPS the 4pT8 bonuses give respectively?
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Old June 28, 2009, 02:56 PM   #2 (permalink)

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80 Human Warlock
Terenas Euro PvE

Re: Warlock 4pT8

depends on the spec

for deep destro, incinerate is 50% of your damage. 5% crit should then be 2.5% more damage. If you have 4k dps thats 100 dps. Simcraft can give you the precice numbers, but I don't remember them right now.
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Old June 28, 2009, 03:30 PM   #3 (permalink)
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Re: Warlock 4pT8

Woops, also forgot to ask about 2pT8 aswell. I'm wondering because I'm trying to figure out if it's more worth it to just use the T8 Gloves and Shoulders, then use Collar of the Wyrmhunter, Robes of the Umbral Brute, and Leggings of the Wanton Spellcaster.
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Old June 28, 2009, 04:02 PM   #4 (permalink)

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Gurubashi US PvP
Guild: Nevermore
Talent Spec: 53/0/18
Re: Warlock 4pT8

4 piece t8 is shown to be a better dps increase for any of the lock specs than any other combination of gear.

At a high end ulduar gear level 4 piece bonus is like 150 dps increase. The 2 other pieces you could wear and not get 4 piece do not amount to that big of a dps change.

The pieces you want 4 piece from are shoulders,chest, legs, and helm.

Replace the gloves with something else there are several better options.
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Old June 28, 2009, 04:58 PM   #5 (permalink)
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Talent Spec: 3/13/55
3.1 Re: Warlock 4pT8

Using the following;

HeadCollar of the Wyrmhunter

gem 1: Chaotic Skyflare Diamond
gem 2: Quick Dragon's Eye
enchant : +30 Spell Power and 20 Critical strike rating.

NeckPendant of Fiery Havoc
gem 1: Runed Stormjewel

ShouldersConquerer Deathbringer's Shoulderpads

gem1: Runed Stormjewel
enchant: +61 Spell Power and 15 Critical Strike rating

ChestRobes of the Umbral Brute

gem 1: Smooth Dragon's Eye
enchant : +10 All Stats

WaistSash of Ancient Power

gem 1: Purified Dreadstone
gem 2: Runed Stormjewel
gem 3: Runed Stormjewel

LegsConqeurer Deathbringer's Leggings

gem 1: Runed Stormjewel
gem 2: Runed Stormjewel
enchant: +50 Spell Power and +20 Spirit

FeetBoots of Fiery Resolution
gem 1: Bold Stormjewel
gem 2: Runed Stormjewel
enchant : +12 Hit Rating and +12 Critical Strike Rating

WristBracers of Unleashed Magic

enchant : +30 Spell Power

HandsHandwraps of the Vigilant

gem 1: Runed Stormjewel
gem 2: Runed Stormjewel
enchant : +28 Spell Power

RingFrozen Loop

TrinketIllustration of the Dragon Soul


Ring #2Signet of Manifested Pain

Trinket #2
Eye of the Broodmother
OffHandLeviathan Fueling Manual

BackPennant Cloak

gem 1: Runed Dragon's Eye
enchant : +23 Haste Rating

Main HandRunescribed Blade

enchant : +63 Spell Power

WandGemmed Wand of the Nerubians


I end up with the following overall stats;

2305 SP = 2682 SP with Fel Armor
504 Crit
358 Hit
630 Haste
467 Spirit, 39% = 182 SP
10% Increased Immolate/Conflag damage.




Keep in mind the gear used is gear that I either already have or is in my reach.


Suggesting that I throw away my chest and headpiece for T8.5 would replace my haste with an overload of hit, and would increase my critical strike chance overall by just over 3%, with the increase of my incinerates crit by 5%. I understand that incinerate is our most spammed skill, but I'm critting most of the time anyway in a fully raid buffed enviornment, so I just don't see it as worth it to increase it.



Anyway, if anyone knows the mathcrafting behind the tier bonus I wouldn't mind taking a look at it :o Not doubting what you're saying at all, I'm just speculating.

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Old June 28, 2009, 05:25 PM   #6 (permalink)

3.1 Re: Warlock 4pT8

Runed Stormjewel : "Matches a Red Socket. Can only socket one Stormjewel"
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Old June 28, 2009, 05:30 PM   #7 (permalink)
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Re: Warlock 4pT8

that was a misclick on the gear simulator, just subtract 32 sp from my total SP since they would be replaced with runed scarlets.

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Old June 28, 2009, 08:47 PM   #8 (permalink)

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3.1 Re: Warlock 4pT8

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S]uggesting that I throw away my chest and headpiece for T8.5 would replace my haste with an overload of hit, and would increase my critical strike chance overall by just over 3%, with the increase of my incinerates crit by 5%. I understand that incinerate is our most spammed skill, but I'm critting most of the time anyway in a fully raid buffed enviornment, so I just don't see it as worth it to increase it.

Anyway, if anyone knows the mathcrafting behind the tier bonus I wouldn't mind taking a look at it :o Not doubting what you're saying at all, I'm just speculating.
Critting "most of the time" is not an argument. With the 5% you crit even more and on average this results in a dps boost.

I just ran simcraft with a best in slot gear-set. The effect of the 4pc bonus alone is 150 dps. So any combination of gear where you drop the 4pc bonus for better stats must result in a increase of at least 150 dps to be worth it. This means having additional 100 spellpower e.g. without loosing any other stat.

If you want to determine what is the best solution for yourself, you should put together a second gear set that includes 4pc T8 and keeps your hit rating at the cap. Then you can calculate the stat difference to the non-4pc set and compare. You could even plug the numbers in simcraft to get a more precicse result. The mathcrafting is more or less done in my fist posting. It's just a rough estimate, but agrees well with the simcraft result, since 150 dps are a 2% dps increase at these gear levels.
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