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Old October 30, 2009, 08:38 AM   #21 (permalink)

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3.2 Re: How to calculate spirit into SP?

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Originally Posted by wavecycle View Post
Quite correct. Which is why people want to know about Spi->SP conversion factors: They want to know how much extra damage they will be doing for the Spi they have (I assume). And if they are Deep Destro, and they use a factor of 0.59, then it will be inaccurate because of Shadow and Flame. Because of Shadow and Flame, they get an additional 20% of the 0.59 converted amount for SB and Inc, which IN EFFECT (not directly) results in a converstion rate of 0.71 for SB and Inc.
Can you just answer me one question?

Assume you get a new item that has 10 spellpower less, but more spirit. All other stats are equal. How much more spirit must be on the item so that it is an upgrade?

My answer would be:
10/0.59 ~ 17 spirit (disregarding the Kings buff)
10/0.649 ~15.4 spirit (taking into account the King's buff)
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Old October 30, 2009, 09:21 AM   #22 (permalink)

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Karazhan Euro PvP
Guild: undecided
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Talent Spec: 0/50/21
3.2 Re: How to calculate spirit into SP?

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Assume you get a new item that has 10 spellpower less, but more spirit. All other stats are equal. How much more spirit must be on the item so that it is an upgrade?
I am going to ignore the Kings buff, and assum Dem Aeg + LT glyph:

For all specs (except Deep Destro) 10 Spi converts to 5.9SP (10*0.59).
For Deep Destro: 10 Spi converts to ROUGHLY (and effectively, but not directly) 6.5 SP (10*0.65).***

So to select the gear: convert the Spi to Sp for your spec, and add that number to the Sp for that same piece of gear. Then compare the result to the SP of the other piece of gear. Highest number wins, assuming all else equal. And if the 2 SP numbers are identical, then the one with the Spi wins, as it aids your mana regeneration.

Example (Affli):
gear 1: 100SP and 80Spi | 80Spi * 0.59 = 47.2SP so effective SP = 100 + 47.2 = 147.2
gear 2: 150SP

gear 2 wins for Affli

Example (Deep Destro):
gear 1: 100SP and 80Spi | 80Spi * 0.65 = 52SP so effective SP = 100 + 52 = 152
gear 2: 150SP

gear 1 wins for Deep Destro

Make sense? Hope so.


*** From my previous post: Take your damage calculations from a raid to work out your conversion rate: 0.71(x)+0.59(1-x) where x = (Total CB damage + Total Inc damage)/Total damage.
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Old October 30, 2009, 09:28 AM   #23 (permalink)

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3.2 Re: How to calculate spirit into SP?

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Make sense? Hope so.
Yeah, makes sense. I still don't agree with you, but I think we have to accept that here... the difference is small after all...

Cheers, and thanks for a nice discussion ;)
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Old October 30, 2009, 09:41 AM   #24 (permalink)

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Cheers, and thanks for a nice discussion ;)
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Old October 31, 2009, 03:07 AM   #25 (permalink)

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Re: How to calculate spirit into SP?

So I can calculate an upgrade by only multiplying the 0.59 by the amount of spirit on the gear? Or must I add it to the total amount of spirit I have first?
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Old October 31, 2009, 04:03 AM   #26 (permalink)
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3.2 Re: How to calculate spirit into SP?

Total Spellpower on a piece of gear is calculated by:

Spellpower + (Spirit * 0.59)
http://www.wowhead.com/?item=49484 = 150 + (99 * 0.59) = 208.41 (Rounds down to 208)
http://www.wowhead.com/?item=47789 = 151 + (86 * 0.59) = 201.74 (Rounds down to 201)

Don't forget to add in gems and relevant socket bonuses. After gems, the Skullcap still wins: 231 vs 228
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Old October 31, 2009, 01:46 PM   #27 (permalink)

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3.2 Re: How to calculate spirit into SP?

Thanks a ton, with this cleared up this makes things so much easier for me to figure out gear upgrades

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