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December 10, 2009, 01:19 AM
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Enchant Weap: Black Magic vs SP
I've been told Enchant Weapon - Black Magic - is the new lock enchant especially for afflic... i hear the internal cd on Black Magic is something like 30 or 35 sec so is a +250 haste proc better than the static +63 sp that Enchant Weapon - Mighty Spellpower gives? also: anyone know how long the Black Magic duration is? <3 |
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December 10, 2009, 01:56 AM
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Re: Enchant Weap: Black Magic vs SP
It gives you 250 haste for 10 seconds, based on an internal cd of 35 seconds. The chance to proc is based on landing a spell so damage from a dot wouldn't count. I'm very curious myself actually, I have the enchant and would use it if it is better (i'm destro) but I want to hear from somebody who has it before applying it (and taking a chance on having to go back). If any warlock has used this please post a reply as to wether or not it was an increase in dps. |
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December 10, 2009, 09:34 AM
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Darklawdog 80 Gnome Warlock Medivh US PvE Guild: Imperìum Profile: ArmoryLite Talent Spec: dualspec |
Re: Enchant Weap: Black Magic vs SP
Discussions in other forums are pointing towards a weapon swap technique. Start with a weapon with black magic enchanted on it, when it procs, pop a haste potion, haste trinket, etc... and re-apply corruption. Then switch to a weapon with the spellpower enchant. Spellpower gets recalculated with haunt reapplication. Haste is stagnant with the original corruption applicaiton. I have no idea how long this will last though. They fixed rogues weapon swapping. |
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December 10, 2009, 10:05 AM
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Re: Enchant Weap: Black Magic vs SP
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Warlock_T9_55_00_16 Sta=0.0000 Int=0.2949 Spi=0.9831 SP=1.7729 Hit=1.9071 Crit=1.2081 Haste=1.8701 according to: SimulationCraft for Warlocks (3.3 numbers) - Elitist Jerks So it's looking like haste is scaling better than spell power atm. Just some rough math for you (not 100% accurate but a decent approximation): Ac =Avg Cast Time; P = Proc rate (i.e. 30% = 0.3) (1-P)^C=50% 2500/{35 + (Ac x C)} =?= 59.725523 Last edited by Carnall; December 10, 2009 at 10:08 AM.. |
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December 10, 2009, 10:25 AM
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lilsteele 80 Human Warlock Terenas Euro PvE |
Re: Enchant Weap: Black Magic vs SP
I think it's save to say that destro should use +63 spellpower. For Demo & Affliction both are viable, and the difference might go unnoticed (you can simcraft it though). For the special affliction thingy with stacking haste for a corruption recast, I'm not sure the weapon swapping method is ideal. The reason is that Eradication and/or Heroism/Bloodlust provide a much stronger haste buff than the 250 haste from black magic, so it might not be worth waiting for a black magic proc. There is hope though if black magic is an almost 100% proc like lightweave. Assume heroism will be at the end of the fight, one can do: - normal rotation with +sp weapon, eradication procs - swap to black magic weapon, cast 1-2 SB's... black magic procs - pop haste pot, trinklets, engineering enchant, grab priest buff - reapply corruption (maybe need to cast seed of corruption first to remove the old corruption) - swap weapons back should be possible with a good macro, but relies strongly on instant black magic procs. Could use Curse of Agony to trigger it instead of SBs to get a bigger chance. WTB scale of fates 
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December 10, 2009, 10:34 AM
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Notdyson 80 Human Warlock Thunderlord US PvP Guild: Continuum Profile: Blizzard Armory Talent Spec: 0/56/15 |
Re: Enchant Weap: Black Magic vs SP
Sounds like an interesting idea. I'm not sure it's really practical to do weapon swapping in end-game. Maybe it would help if you had like two TOC5 man weapons or something easily accessible or maybe two 10man weapons, but a lot of raid teams have a variety of casters in 25mans and so getting two of the latest weapon seems a bit much. |
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December 10, 2009, 10:48 AM
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Re: Enchant Weap: Black Magic vs SP
I'm sure it's (the spell power enchant) safe too but I can't help but think that the black magic might be a better overall dps boost for example... Lets say you have a 1.75 second average cast time 10% proc rate (on average every ~6.5 spells) => 2500/{35 + (1.75 x 6.5)} =53.9= 59.725523 53.9 < 59.7 so Spell power is better 25% proc rate (on average every ~2.5 spells) => 2500/{35 + (1.75 x 2.5)} =63.492 63.5> 59.7 50% proc rate (as it would seem according to wowhead) => 2500/37.625 = 66.445 66.4> 59.7 so it would seem that this might actually be a dps boost. Quote:
WTB Proc Rate for Black Magic please. Can anyone confirm the proc rate? It's seeming that Staff Spell Power > Black Magic > 1h Weapon Spell Power *Calcutations done with affliction scaling in mind; just plug in the other stat scales for other specs. Last edited by Carnall; December 10, 2009 at 11:14 AM.. |
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December 11, 2009, 06:58 PM
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Re: Enchant Weap: Black Magic vs SP
Any updates on this information? It seems like we still don't have a solid answer. |
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December 11, 2009, 08:19 PM
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Gnochi 80 Gnome Warlock Medivh US PvE Guild: Storm Profile: Blizzard Armory Talent Spec: 56/0/15 |
Re: Enchant Weap: Black Magic vs SP
ElitistJerks is still weighing it. The general trend seems to be that it *might* be worth it for affliction, but not for demo or destro.
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December 11, 2009, 11:02 PM
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lilsteele 80 Human Warlock Terenas Euro PvE |
Re: Enchant Weap: Black Magic vs SP
3.3 Raiding Specs: A Preview I put the simcraft numbers there for affliction. In my opinion it doesn't make sense to use black magic for demo (demonic pact lowered) or destro (mediocre haste scaling). It seems to be the slightly better choice for affliction. |
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