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January 30, 2008, 02:41 PM
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Damage Meters?
Lately I'm noticing some HUGE discrpencies inbetween damage meters... My little brother swears by WWS/Recount... I've notice some of the items for me being a bit high here and there, and can only imagine what it does to a burst DPS class like my brother (he's a Hunter) I prefere SWStats, but it has my little brother doing 100-200 less DPS than I do at any given time. So, which damage meter is considered to be the most accurate? I'm inclined to go with SWStats, as it has less bells and whistles, and has been fairly consistant. |
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January 30, 2008, 02:46 PM
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Character Info
Wichkingabar 70 Undead Warlock Anvilmar US PvE Guild: Ascended Ancients Talent Spec: 1/43/17 |
Re: Damage Meters?
I have no hard data but it seems like Recount is pretty accurate. It tends to be close to wowwebstats and that takes information straight from the combat log. |
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January 30, 2008, 03:02 PM
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Re: Damage Meters?
Each meter has its own method of calculating dps time (dps = total damage / dps time). SWStats uses the entire time stuck in combat. Recount and WWS only use the time period when you're doing damage (dot ticks count). If you dont do any damage for half the fight, then you'll probably have twice the dps as reported on SWstats. |
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January 30, 2008, 03:04 PM
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Re: Damage Meters?
so Recount and WWS don't penalize you for not paying attention ethier to the start of a fight or to the Threat meter and dying horribly yeah, I'm sticking with SWStats |
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January 30, 2008, 04:54 PM
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Character Info
Wichkingabar 70 Undead Warlock Anvilmar US PvE Guild: Ascended Ancients Talent Spec: 1/43/17 |
Re: Damage Meters?
But it is reported in Recount when looking at damage done and it is reported in WWS with both damage done and dps time. So I find it more accurate to my actual dps. That way I dont have the first 20 secs of a boss pull where the tank is moving and building initial aggro go against my dps. A WWS report makes it easy to tell who was there half the fight but also lets you know what kind of damage they can really put out. The way I look at it SWstats and Damagemeters record the dps done during the overall fight not a toons personal fight time. My 2 copper... |
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January 30, 2008, 05:04 PM
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Re: Damage Meters?
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January 30, 2008, 09:46 PM
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Re: Damage Meters?
WWS records your combat logs and parse data from it.......so even if you have 100% presence I can actually read the logs and find out at X min Y second you got crushed for 50K by the boss because your aggro reducing ability got resisted ( or you didn't use it ) WWS is both simple ( in that there's a list. number 1 = most damage done /cheer ) and complex ( in that you can go thru and look at what you, that newb mage next to you or what your tank was doing every second of the fight if you really wanted to ) at the same time |
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January 30, 2008, 10:41 PM
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Character Info
Fimotik 70 Orc Warlock Khaz'goroth Oceania PvE Guild: Conviction Profile: Blizzard Armory Talent Spec: 7/0/51 |
Re: Damage Meters?
In-game damage meters are an extremely crude and often unreliable display of data. Different meters will show differing amounts of damage, and even the same meters will show differing numbers due to range issues (standard combat log range is quite short, and even extending it to max range may not cover everyone in a raid, so each person's accumulated data may be different). WWS is probably the best analytical tool, because showing a list of who did the most DPS can be very misleading. For example, simple things like a mage doing polymorph or even more so, a hunter trapping, can drop that player dramatically in overall DPS done. Then you have to look at what their actual DPS (as in damage per second) was, so in the shorter periods during which they were DPSing, they may have been doing more DPS, but have less opportunities overall to DPS, they drop in overall DPS. Other things can be seen in WWS, such as how much uptime that player has (i.e. whether they are effective at DPSing, regardless of their actual DPS), how many times they used trinkets/abilities, how much damage they took and from what sources, healing and overhealing done etc. Being number 1 in DPS means nothing if you are in a stacked group, can't avoid AoE, break crowd control, need heaps of healing etc. |
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January 31, 2008, 11:07 AM
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Panaceia 80 Blood Elf Priest Cho'gall US PvP Guild: Inebriated Raiding Profile: Blizzard Armory Talent Spec: 14/57/0 |
Re: Damage Meters?
Not to hijack this thread but I had a quick question about WWS. How "heavy" of a mod is it? I have thought about getting it as a way to review my own performance, but I have lag issues as it is so I didn't want something that would slow me down more. Any feedback would help 
Last edited by Morganfaey; January 31, 2008 at 11:43 AM.. |
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January 31, 2008, 12:39 PM
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Dalnaresh 70 Undead Warlock Earthen Ring Euro RP Guild: TheDarkEmpire Profile: Blizzard Armory Talent Spec: 0/21/40 |
Re: Damage Meters?
Not a mod. Just start each raid with /combatlog At raid end use /combatlog again and log out. Then got to Wow Web Stats and click the big yellow "Start WWS client" button Add your log then go to the Actors page. Do an auto-update, and just double check that everything is in the right class, people are getting the right pets etc (our druids and pallies in particular always seem to come up with "mob" as the description - might be a raid interface issue). Then got back to the Logs & Report screen and click "Generate Report". This will give you a basic webpage to look at overall data. However, there is a more powerful version available if you use the wowebstats site to host your generated report. It will split up your boss attempts, work out what is trash and what isn't, enable you to browse and filter the entire combat log. Its really great if you know how to look at the data. |
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