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March 20, 2009, 12:43 AM	#1 (permalink)
Niemann Character Info Niemann 80 Blood Elf Warlock Frostmane US PvP Guild: Symbol of Aggression Profile: Blizzard Armory Talent Spec: 0/43/28	I Need A Better Macro I need a better macro the one that i am using is not working very well for me. I twinked it from time to time when i get a new curse or spell, but i don't know if this is a good macro. I need a Uber macro that can make my dps off the charts. i am demo/destructo hybrid. #showtooltip /petattack [nomodifier] /castsequence [nomodifier] reset=target Corruption, Curse of Agony, Immolate, Incinerate, Searing Pain, Life Tap, Drain Life, Shadow Bolt, Shoot Any advice i get well be great.

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March 20, 2009, 02:57 AM	#2 (permalink)
Cormanthor Status: Dot, 'Lock and Drop it! Character Info Cormanthor 80 Human Warlock Gnomeregan US PvE Guild: Knights who say Ni Profile: Blizzard Armory Talent Spec: Various	Re: I Need A Better Macro for the majority of my raiding, I use four spells on bosses. I have a similar build (0/41/30), so this may work better for you. Code: #showtooltip /petattack [mod:shift] /cast [mod:shift] Curse of Agony /castsequence [nomod] reset=target/combat/17 Immolate, Corruption, Incinerate, Incinerate, Incinerate, Incinerate, Incinerate, Incinerate, Incinerate, Incinerate, Incinerate, Incinerate To use the above macro, start with the shift key (or replace shift as necessary). Then spam it repeatedly for the next 16 seconds or so. This should leave you with enough time to life tap (if desired) before restarting the sequence. It will also account for some amount of haste (I didn't check for how much). When Curse of Agony is up, shift-click it. Otherwise spam away. It will probably clip the last tick of corruption unless you delay about one second or so. __________________ Some days it just not worth chewing through the restraints

March 20, 2009, 03:50 AM

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Adonhiram

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Gourdegoule
80 Undead Warlock
Dalaran (français) Euro PvE
Guild: Ombre Phoenix
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Talent Spec: 0/56/15

Re: I Need A Better Macro

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Originally Posted by Cormanthor

for the majority of my raiding, I use four spells on bosses. I have a similar build (0/41/30), so this may work better for you.

Code:

#showtooltip
/petattack [mod:shift]
/cast [mod:shift] Curse of Agony
/castsequence [nomod] reset=target/combat/17 Immolate, Corruption, Incinerate,
Incinerate, Incinerate, Incinerate, Incinerate, Incinerate, Incinerate,
Incinerate, Incinerate, Incinerate

Pardon me to jump into your discussion, I am considering, with the 3.1, to evolve towards a demo/destru spec as you (don't know yet if I do the 51/20 or 41/30, I got different logical and clear advices in a thread I posted) are, could you explain to the casual player I am why spamming Incinerate instead of Shadowbolt once the dots are applied ?

Does Emberstorm make Incinerate that better than SB as long Immolate is running ? With guildies we calculated that raw dps, if you have 5 points in Bane, is still in favor of Shadowbolt versus Immolate/Incinerate, as long you have at least 139 spell power, he :-) We also calculated that -but this will change now with the 3.1- contrary to a popular belief, Soul Fire is less dps than Shadowbolt if you have Bane and at least 973 spell power.

Here the stats to illustrate our calcs :

("Fléau" means Bane, "base" means without Bane, "SB" is Shadowbolt, "SF" is obviously Soulfire).

Well, to summarize my question, is Emberstorm the point which makes Incinerate more dpsing than SB ? So I assume a 51/20 build would keep SB as main nuke after dot refreshs ?

I hope you are not offended I trolled a little bit your original topic about the macro

March 20, 2009, 04:17 AM	#4 (permalink)
Cormanthor Status: Dot, 'Lock and Drop it! Character Info Cormanthor 80 Human Warlock Gnomeregan US PvE Guild: Knights who say Ni Profile: Blizzard Armory Talent Spec: Various	Re: I Need A Better Macro You might very well be on to something. I use the FG/Emberstorm build, and took the recommended rotation without doing the math myself. I will have to look into this to be sure. The other thing to consider is Molten Core. Maybe that helps a bit? __________________ Some days it just not worth chewing through the restraints

March 20, 2009, 06:44 AM	#5 (permalink)
Adonhiram Character Info Gourdegoule 80 Undead Warlock Dalaran (français) Euro PvE Guild: Ombre Phoenix Profile: Talent Spec: 0/56/15	Re: I Need A Better Macro Molten Core is incoming with3.1, we'll have to see :-) I am working now and haven't time to do the maths, but the description of Emberstore says it both ups the damage of fire spells and lowers the casting time of Incinerate, so it might be the explanation. You could just test pragmatically by spamming SB instead of Incinerate in your rotation and look up if your dps drops, so we would be sure of the value of Incinerate combined with Emberstorm (under Immolate of course).

March 20, 2009, 08:14 AM	#6 (permalink)
Trizone Character Info Andrèas 80 Blood Elf Warlock Magtheridon US PvP Guild: Unity Profile: Blizzard Armory Talent Spec: 0/56/15	Re: I Need A Better Macro The only thing you've proved is that incinerate without emberstorm is worse than shadow bolt, which is true, and why meta locks use sb over incinerate. I did a bit of testing on dummy and with spreadsheet and here are the numbers i got. The numbers are averages between Leulier's spreadsheet and test-optained numbers, but the differences where under 100 dpct in all cases. All numbers include Bane, Ruin and Devastation and are rounded to nearest 10. Shadow Bolt: 2020 Shadow Bolt w/ISB: 2140 Incinerate: 1690 Incinerate w/Immolate: 1810 Incinerate w/Immolate and MC (Curse of Agony and Corr up ~75% MC uptime): 1940 Incinerate w/Immolate, Emberstorm and MC (Curse of Agony and Corr up ~75% MC uptime): 2490 Incinerate w/Immolate and Emberstorm: 2300 Incinerate with Emberstorm: 2150 Anyone that gets 30 points in destro to get emberstorm is better off using incinerate,whereas if you don't go that far in the destro tree; stick with shadow bolt. As for a macro for 41/30, do you really need one? I have a nuke button that is DE, trinket and Incin and then the three dots on one key each, it seems to work just fine. Besides a long 1-button macro would be screwed during BL in any case.

March 20, 2009, 08:41 AM	#7 (permalink)
Cormanthor Status: Dot, 'Lock and Drop it! Character Info Cormanthor 80 Human Warlock Gnomeregan US PvE Guild: Knights who say Ni Profile: Blizzard Armory Talent Spec: Various	Re: I Need A Better Macro Based on my calculations tonight (this morning, actually), I came to the following conclusions regarding Shadow Bolt (Rank 13) vs Incinerate (Rank 4) w/ Immolate up: Completely untalented, with 0 spell power (further abbreviated SP), Incinerate gets the nod by 22.6%, decreasing quickly to less than 0.5% advantage at 500 SP. But Shadow Bolt does not over take Incinerate until astronomical (read: five figure) spellpower levels are attained. 5/5 Bane: Shadow Bolt is the clear leader over 3 SP, by 19% - 20% margin over 300 SP. Add in Shadow Mastery and the difference jumps to almost 38% over the same span. 5/5 Emberstorm: This is indeed the talent that puts me over. 4/5 Emberstorm is actually enough to give me a 1.5% advantage to Incinerate, over 6% at 5/5. This includes 5/5 Bane (still good for Immolate), but obviously 0/5 Shadow Mastery. And if you get deep enough in destro to get Shadow & Flame, the difference becomes over 9.5% in favor of Incinerate. Due to the OP's spec (0/43/28), I would recommend replacing all those Incinerates with as many Shadow Bolts as the macro allows. If you re-spec to 0/41/30, keep the Incinerates. Note: This does not include Molten Core or Improved Shadow Bolt, as my head is about to explode and the bonuses are about equal(ish). __________________ Some days it just not worth chewing through the restraints

March 20, 2009, 10:16 AM	#8 (permalink)
Trizone Character Info Andrèas 80 Blood Elf Warlock Magtheridon US PvP Guild: Unity Profile: Blizzard Armory Talent Spec: 0/56/15	Re: I Need A Better Macro The OP's build is simply not a very good one. The best hybrid spec is 41/30. If he for some reason wants to use the imp, both 40/31 and 31/40 are better choices.

March 20, 2009, 11:11 AM	#9 (permalink)
Billhelm Character Info Billhelm 80 Human Warlock Blackhand US PvE Guild: Fallen Legends Profile: Blizzard Armory Talent Spec: 56/0/15	Re: I Need A Better Macro want your DPS to be off the charts? Don't use macros when you are raiding. They don't let you queue spells quite as well (lag can become a big factor) and don't allow you enough situational awareness or flexibility to change. Trying to time them is nearly impossible. You should keybind your spells in a comfortable layout and get used to hitting them individually.

March 20, 2009, 11:54 AM

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Mordru

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Mordru
80 Gnome Warlock
Alexstrasza US PvE
Guild: Dragon Army
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Talent Spec: 0/52/17

Re: I Need A Better Macro

Quote:

Originally Posted by Billhelm

want your DPS to be off the charts?

Don't use macros when you are raiding.

They don't let you queue spells quite as well (lag can become a big factor) and don't allow you enough situational awareness or flexibility to change. Trying to time them is nearly impossible.

You should keybind your spells in a comfortable layout and get used to hitting them individually.

I agree that you should not macro a rotation for raids as it does not allow for situational events (movement, haste spell, haste totem, etc.). But I do macro my DE (and trinkets when I had those type) into incinerate. It does make the game a little more manageable for me to forget about some of those spells and saving them for a possibly more optimal time is kind of a waste.

And to the OP, your spell selection you are putting in your cast sequence is whack. If you have emberstorm, you should only be using Curse of Agony, Corruption (occasionally), Immolation, and spam Incinerate. Only Life Tap when OOM (or repositioning and close to OOM). Trizone mentions this.

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