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March 20, 2009, 12:59 PM
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Lokkdown 80 Human Warlock Thorium Brotherhood US RP PvP Guild: Kalamitous Intent Profile: WoW Rankings Talent Spec: 56/0/15 |
Re: I Need A Better Macro
Hey everyone, I have to agree with Billhelm. I know destro doesn't have quite as many spells to cast as affliction. In my humble opinion, casting macros are a thing of the past for raiding. There are too many things happening to make a macro useful. Even pre BC, as aff, I found that a casting macro was inefficient in raids, too many situations where I wanted to cast something that was not next in the macro rotation. Casting macros worked great for farming and questing. Of course I ran most of BC as cookie cutter destro, but I am full affliction now. I have all my spells hotkeyed. A macro would have to be a mile long to do what I do on a boss fight. I am looking at a macro to bind Shadowbolt and Haunt. It will cast Haunt instead of Shadowbolt whenever Haunt comes off cooldown. Just my two cents, Thanks |
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March 21, 2009, 01:14 AM
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Niemann 80 Blood Elf Warlock Frostmane US PvP Guild: Symbol of Aggression Profile: Blizzard Armory Talent Spec: 0/43/28 |
Re: I Need A Better Macro
Thx to all that did the math. I think my brain went numb reading it. Ill try to put all of it in context for my char. |
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March 21, 2009, 05:28 AM
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Gourdegoule 80 Undead Warlock Dalaran (français) Euro PvE Guild: Ombre Phoenix Profile: Talent Spec: 0/56/15 |
Re: I Need A Better Macro
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 Regarding your calcs, you are getting to the same conclusions I did, but not at the same values, but don't forget we had that discussion in my guild just before Wrath of the Lich King was released in Europe and the idea was to show that Bane benefits the most to Shadowbolt in terms of dps. And we did not take into account other talents. As we had the debate on my guild forum, the idea was to compare the raw dps of our different nukes for a level 70 warlock with and without Bane. Our calcs were made like this, based on the y = (a/t)x + (b/t) formula, where the input variable x is your spell power, the resulting raw dps, and t the casting time. y = dps b = theoretical average base damage of the nuke (for example, best Shadowbolt at 70 is rank 11 doing 541 to 603 base damage, so we took the average between these two which is 572 damage) a = the damage coefficient of the spell which applies to the amount of your spell power and gives you the damage bonus resulting from spell power (for example, the damage coefficient of Shadowbolt is 87,51%, which means for each SB you cast you add 0,8751xSP to the base damage) t = casting time (for SB, it's 3 seconds without Bane, 2.5 seconds with Bane) x = input variable, your amount of spell power We then draw two lines for each nuke (two different "t" values with or without Bane) and compared were the lines were crossing, as you can see on the graph. Pre-Wrath of the Lich King, Incinerate + Immo is better dps than Shadowbolt with Bane only under 139 spell power, which of course is not relevant at level 70. But the surprise for us was to see that Bane changes the position of Soulfire. With Bane, Shadowbolt has a better dps than Soul Fire when you reach 973 spell power. This doesn't take into account other talents, our idea was just to evaluate the importance of Bane for a warlock which was not Destruction specced to see if it was worth putting 5 points in Bane. Anyhow, thanks for your mathemagics night and have fun, well, in <burning> away all those mobs ! Go go Emberstorm 
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March 21, 2009, 09:06 AM
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Cormanthor 80 Human Warlock Gnomeregan US PvE Guild: Knights who say Ni Profile: Blizzard Armory Talent Spec: Various |
Re: I Need A Better Macro
After some much needed sleep, I corrected the more obvious errors in my calculations (and possibly created new ones). Completely untalented, it looks like Incinerate FTW by ~70 dps at any spell power. 5/5 Bane puts SB over the top by the 400 SP mark, and 92 dps higher by 2k SP add in 5/5 Shadow Mastery and you get almost 240 dps higher by 2k SP 5/5 Bane w/ 5/5 Emberstorm yields 100+ dps difference in favor of Incinerate from 0 SP all the way up (154 dps greater at 2k SP). Bane w/ Emberstorm vs Bane w/ Shadow Mastery favors Incinerate up to 2250 SP, then SB there after. All that means though is the FG/Emberstorm warlock has a stronger filler spell than the Haunt/Ruin warlock. This is more than offset however by the strength of the DoTs. Haste will of course favor SB over Incinerate, but not so much as to realistically change your choice filler spell.
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March 21, 2009, 11:38 AM
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Lathiel 80 Blood Elf Warlock Chamber of Aspects Euro PvE Guild: Penance Profile: Blizzard Armory Talent Spec: 3/14/54 |
Re: I Need A Better Macro
I don't use macros at all, and I'm top dps in my guild (next to a hunter). I think macros are a waste of time for dps rotations... some can help, but not for rotations, imo. And besides, they never seem to work properly anyway :P
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March 21, 2009, 02:48 PM
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Tianshaan 80 Human Warlock Terokkar US PvE Guild: Vae Victus Profile: Blizzard Armory Talent Spec: 0/13/58 |
Re: I Need A Better Macro
There are good rotation macros for every build, but they cannot be utilized throughout a fight. The simple truth is, don't expect a macro to play for you, you have to learn yourself. The original post even had Life Tap in the rotation, a severe no-no. |
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March 21, 2009, 05:33 PM
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Dethlôk 80 Blood Elf Warlock Dath'Remar Oceania PvE Guild: A New Hope Talent Spec: 0/41/30 |
Re: I Need A Better Macro
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