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Old August 25, 2009, 02:00 PM   #21 (permalink)

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Evictoray
80 Undead Warlock
maiev US PvP
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Re: Destro rotation

While repositioning conflagrate>curse>life tap>corruption. Using corruption any where else in your rotation is a dps loss.
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Old August 25, 2009, 03:06 PM   #22 (permalink)
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Scilla US PvP
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3.2 Re: Destro rotation

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No, although I did just upgrade my motherboard and processor. My latency has actually gone down.

I will be running some solid Tank and Spanks tonight in the Coliseum, so I'll get a new log for tonight. I only have one from last week available right now (my meters were from Skada). I'll get tonight imported into World of Logs and I'll run a Dummy test just to check before raid.
This would be helpful as I am also skeptical.

I've seen parses from lock applications who use corruption in their deep destro rotation, and I have rarely seen that corruption or curse of agony (if the fight isn't long enough for CoD) is really worth the time compared to the crit+hit average damage of getting something like an incinerate off. While it's true that incinerate takes a longer cast time, it really does pack a whallop when you take that into account.

Just looking at an Ignis parse (one of the few fights in guild I see corruption used -- you can pop it when coming down off flame jets), I see the average full duration corruption being 954*6 = 5724 damage. Whereas for this same warlock who in practice had about a 50% crit rate on his incinerates let off about 8908 damage. If you take into account 'cast time' of corruption being a GCD, then 5724/1.5 = 3816 and 8908/2.25 = 3859, you can see incinerate wins. Chaos Bolt also wins with a final calculated figure of 4798 in that warlock's parse.

And by the way, that is even assuming that the corruption will run its full duration which it might not.

In any case, corruption is OK to use if your on the move with nothing else practical to do, but really most deep destro locks shouldn't have it as part of the regular rotation. If you are suffering from a tiny lag between immolate and conflag, eating that lag once is "OK" and not really a huge DPS loss. I can't believe the lag is really that huge for you and that your rotation is so consistent you'll have to eat that lag more than once which over the course of 5 minute fight is really nothing.

As an aside, a lot of times people have different key bindings for different specs and the muscle memory of how your fingers are used to rotations can also make a DPS difference. I would not be surprised if someone was used to inserting corruption if their DPS would go down or up based on key binding of some sort of dissonance with their memorized rotation. Or if they were used to using corruption in some other context such as on the run in PVP.
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Old August 25, 2009, 03:15 PM   #23 (permalink)

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Nazgrel US PvE
Profile: Warcrafter
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3.2 Re: Destro rotation

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While repositioning conflagrate>curse>life tap>corruption. Using corruption any where else in your rotation is a dps loss.

I normally do Imm/curse/conflag/CB/inc/inc/conflag but on trash don't even use corruption if anything I use seed of corr and rain of fire, i don't see where it would hurt during boss fights though if you squeeze it in great if you missed not deal breaker i feel...

wish they would let you use corr and seed of corr together something like immo and conflag

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Old August 26, 2009, 09:15 AM   #24 (permalink)

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3.2 Re: Destro rotation

Hello.

I am author of the easyDestro addon.

I see that many thinks that using this addon is a fail and is better to watch 3 other addons and combine the information in your head and decide what to cast than to just see what you have to cast now and next spell and watch more to the fight environment.

My warlock is my alt and got to 80 about 3 weeks ago. I was a bit bored about my main and I never played a warlock before so I leveled this one to have some fun.

When I got to 80 I start looking for spec/rotation/addons. I found out fast that destro is the highest dps spec and the rotation is quite simple, but when I tried suggested addons I got dizzy. So I wrote one to show me exactly what I have to cast. After was ready I thought that is a good idea to share with others.

It is not perfect, I could add more features, but for now is doing the job.

I would like to hear some feedback backed up with some arguments, not just "worst addon ever"

Thank you
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Old August 26, 2009, 10:01 AM   #25 (permalink)

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Rexxar US PvE
Guild: Sanctified
Talent Spec: Dest/Dem
Re: Destro rotation

I can't believe that people are still confused over the destruction "rotation"
Go check EJ forums if you don't believe us. Corruption should ONLY ever be used on the move assuming your conflag or curse isn't up or you don't need to life tap. That is the only time you should use it. I don't know how many times this needs to be stated.

Also, casting Chaos Bolt in between Immolate and Conflag is a dps loss too. It's not just the time you have to wait to conflag limiting the ability to ge off 2 conflags in that first round but also the backdraft haste lost on your CB which could in turn be another conflag at the end of a fight.

For anyone wondering priority:
Immolate>Conflag>Chaos Bolt>Incinerate

If your dps is going up using corruption then you should probably go work on the practice dummy some because this shouldnt be happening.
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Old August 26, 2009, 10:55 AM   #26 (permalink)

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Khadgar US PvE
Guild: Can Heal Stupid
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Re: Destro rotation

You guys were right (and my skada needed updated).

Corruption is a DPS loss. Absolutely. The only time you should use it is when you have to move or to maintain stacks of the Illustration or Broodmother's Eye.
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Old November 15, 2009, 11:11 AM   #27 (permalink)

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The Venture Co US PvP
Guild: Stromios
Talent Spec: 3/14/54
Re: Destro rotation

so i have quite the question here, i have around 2600 gear score, and i used to be pulling more dps around 4k self buffed. And now i replaced a few pieces of gear and now i only pull 3.5k, i would like some one who is an expert to check my gear/glyphs out. my toon is, Gravemystic and he is from The Venture Co, US
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Old November 15, 2009, 11:25 AM   #28 (permalink)

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thorium Brotherhood US RP Guild: right click

Re: Destro rotation

Now when i was first learning Warlock mechanics i used something Called Spellpriorty its an add on very similar to this one i just used it to learn proper roation, timing, and what to watch for

in a way these are very helpful but once youve been raiding for a couple months they tend to get annoying and the traditional way is funner

so IMO if your just learning the class use it if yur experienced youll hate it
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Old November 16, 2009, 05:56 AM   #29 (permalink)

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3.2 Re: Destro rotation

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No lag here, maybe a 1/4 second delay. Casting conflagrate first allows me to get two conflags on my initial immolate, and after that it doesn't really matter.
I always do CB before the first Conflag, as I have quite high lag times. But I have enough haste that I always get the second Conflag in anyway.
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Old November 16, 2009, 06:22 AM   #30 (permalink)

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80 Human Warlock
dragonblight Euro PvE
Guild: Ten
Talent Spec: 53/1/17
3.2 Re: Destro rotation

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I can't believe that people are still confused over the destruction "rotation"

Also, casting Chaos Bolt in between Immolate and Conflag is a dps loss too. It's not just the time you have to wait to conflag limiting the ability to ge off 2 conflags in that first round but also the backdraft haste lost on your CB which could in turn be another conflag at the end of a fight.
so you just suggesting wait half a second cast nothing while waiting for conf (and wait 2 seconds for burning the CB CD while we can do it in the gap?), this dont make much sense, i want to see where do they prove this is a dps increase!
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