Rogue: Need advice in battlegrounds with my rogue

[RomaGoth]

So how do you win/not die in a battleground when it seems that most of the other people have no clue what they are doing?

A little backstory:

I am relatively new to the pvp scene, and also fairly new to other classes besides my 70 hunter. Anyone who has checked my profile or read any of my previous posts can see that I have numerous toons, none of them very high level except my hunter. I never did a lot of pvp with my hunter due to time constraints, lack of interest, and the effort of just leveling him up.

However, I now have warlock I stopped at 39 temporarily to do some battlegrounds with, and a rogue I stopped temporarily at 29. I put a lot of time into my rogue gear at 29, making some of it with my hunter. I also picked up some decent weapons.

I am really enjoying playing these 2 classes, however when it comes to BG's, I have found that unless I am grouped with some friends, the majority of the other people in any given battleground are completely clueless as to how to do anything. This seems especially true in Warsong Gulch. I have heard from numerous people that horde nearly always wins WSG. Yesterday me and some friends did a session in there that was well over an hour long. It was a very frustrating event. We ended up winning, but by the time it was done I was ready to /quit world of warcraft .

I played my rogue, and in an 60 something minute battleground raid, I ended up leading everyone on both sides with 64 kills. I seem to have figured out how to play the rogue class after my first few BG's were miserable. However, I have noticed the ineptness of many other players. This was evidenced last night when I joined a few BG's (without my friends) and was just overwhelmed by the stupidity surrounding me. Each time I died it was because I was completely pawned by 5 or 6 horde players, with no alliance anywhere in sight. I had no idea where they were most of the time, and I eventually became tired of it and called it a night.

I guess what I am asking of any of you experienced pvp'ers is how to overcome this deficiency in battlegrounds? I should be able to do pretty well with or without people I know being in my group. I realize that this could be a reflection of my talents/lack of talents in pvp, but I doubt that I would lead the entire field if I didn't know what I was doing. One example of this was a paladin who just ran around in circles the entire time I had 3 horde ganking me. I could not figure out what he was doing. There was no mc or fear cast on him, so he had control of his toon.

Anyway, sorry for the long winded post but I need some advice in how to overcome ineptness in battlegrounds. I hope this is the right thread for this, as it is more of a rogue related topic in pvp than a warlock related topic. I also know that is probably a common topic in the WoW forums, but I try to avoid those forums at all times. I respect the people here and your advice/opinions much more than some random 10 year old on the Blizzard forums.

Thanks in advance everyone!!

[Maltyrius]

First off, I would say forget the notion that racking up a ton of kills in a BG indicates that one is playing effectively. Play the BG, not the individuals in a BG. So, ask yourself when you engage if you what you are doing is useful to winning. Things such as ninja capping, delaying reinforcements, distractions, hampering a flag runner etc.

Having said that, there are certainly times when no amount of good advice to your team and playing smart as a pug BGer will make a difference. Over time you will get a sense of when you know things are just hopeless. At that point you can either /AFK out to steal back a few precious moments of your life or just go grab a few HKs.

[Absalom]

BG's can be an awesome display of teamwork.... or they can be a gathering of children that don't know how to play well together. Just try to act as if you are on a team that cares. Try to be that ONE person that is willing to make a difference and there will be a chance that someone will help you. Even if it means you cap one flag then die instantly, YOU know you did something right.

If it gets too bad, then just join them in the chaos and get a couple HK's out of it. The lack of teamwork or strategy will insure the game is over soon and you can queue up and hope the next group has a brain. Just try not to take to many things personally.

Do your best, and try to have fun with it.

[acetace]

i have the same frustration with you, especially after the daily BG introduced... winning any BG is worse than mission impossible...

lets put it this way... the only way not to get frustrated about it is... look at the situation, as mentioned by previous posters, teamwork is very important in the BG games... but there are diffeent kind of people, if you like to be follower then just cooperate, if you'd like to be leader try to sense what type of personalities are playing.... some group becomes more effective when you
1) scream, call names, and tell people what they should be doing and if they don't they're acting stupid (negative reinforcement)
2) provide positive feed back like "gj returning the flag, way to go" (positive reinforcement)
3) simply let be to do what they want (if a strategy works... no need to change it until something dramatic happened)

if it still doens't work... just do your best to play, after all it's just a game no need to sweat over it.... if a game really gets on your nerve (wsg turtle) just quit, take a 15 minute break, log on alt, level your profession, check some AH or even farm....

remember take it lightly, it's just a game, you play it (and paid for it) to relieve stress and obtain sense of enjoyment/pleasure not so you can develop high blood pressure and heart related diseases..... hope this will be helpful

p.s. 1 hour turtle in wsg??? consider yourself lucky... my guildies has been in a 22 hours wsg (so he claims, and don't ask me how he has the time to do it)

[mugatu]

I know the feeling, some BGs can seem a total waste of time. On the other hand, the few times that actually go well and theres teamwork and understanding, make up for the crappy ones. Just keep doing what is right, and people will follow you.

[RomaGoth]

Thanks to all who replied with some bg advice. I am glad to know that I am not the only one experiencing the often frustration of being the only one in a bg that seems to know what to do and/or cares.

Last night I decided to do AB again, and ended up doing it 5 times. We won the first and the last ones, losing the middle three but two of those were close (does any of that make sense?). In any case, I remembered to just play my class how it is supposed to be played and have fun doing it. Thus, I was in a much better mood even when we lost a few of them. I must admit, it is nicer receiving (3) marks than only (1)!!

I did log off at one point when the queue was too long and ended up grinding for Crusader in WP. Funny thing, it actually dropped for me after about 20 minutes, so now I will have that and fiery weapon for my lock when he raises enchanting skill.

Anyway, thanks everyone for the advice. That is why I love this site so much!!

[RomaGoth]

Originally Posted by acetace

i have the same frustration with you, especially after the daily Battleground introduced... winning any Battleground is worse than mission impossible...

lets put it this way... the only way not to get frustrated about it is... look at the situation, as mentioned by previous posters, teamwork is very important in the Battleground games... but there are diffeent kind of people, if you like to be follower then just cooperate, if you'd like to be leader try to sense what type of personalities are playing.... some group becomes more effective when you
1) scream, call names, and tell people what they should be doing and if they don't they're acting stupid (negative reinforcement)
2) provide positive feed back like "gj returning the flag, way to go" (positive reinforcement)
3) simply let be to do what they want (if a strategy works... no need to change it until something dramatic happened)

if it still doens't work... just do your best to play, after all it's just a game no need to sweat over it.... if a game really gets on your nerve (wsg turtle) just quit, take a 15 minute break, log on alt, level your profession, check some AH or even farm....

remember take it lightly, it's just a game, you play it (and paid for it) to relieve stress and obtain sense of enjoyment/pleasure not so you can develop high blood pressure and heart related diseases..... hope this will be helpful

p.s. 1 hour turtle in wsg??? consider yourself lucky... my guildies has been in a 22 hours wsg (so he claims, and don't ask me how he has the time to do it)

22 hours???? I find that hard to believe unless he has a helmet with cups/straws, a bedpan, and very flexible mouse hand.....

Thanks for the advice though. It IS just a game, sometimes that is difficult to remember, especially when you come across that twinked out *insert class here* in a battleground and they spit on you after you die. Yeah, one did that last night, it was kinda funny considering it took 3 of them to take me down. I guess that is what happens when children play an adult's game, eh?

Thanks again!