Lost to a paladin.

silversvt · May 08, 2007, 07:42 AM

I just hit 42 last nite and before I logged a level 45 paladin wanted to duel. So I accepted and started off by walking backwards casting Corr and Curse of Agony while having my succ seduce him. Got maximum distance and hit him with a ShadowBolt and then fear followed by another ShadowBolt. He broke fear and came at me hitting me several times until I got another seduce on him and put another Corr on him followed by another ShadowBolt by this time he put up his bubble and fully healed. I hit him with another ShadowBolt when his bubble left followed by Corr and Curse of Agony while walking backwards trying to get another seduce off which didn't happen. I tried fear which he was immune but I did manage to get off a Howl and used 1 more ShadowBolt followed by a ShadowBurn. He had 1 spec of life left when he got to me and hit me for the killing blow. During this whole fight I did not heal or use a potion. What kinda irks me is him saying gd but then followed by I must have had tons of stamina gear and I said no I am about shadowdamage. He then preceeded to say that warlocks are usually so easy to kill and so I said well you know if I had even used a potion or healthstone this fight would have been over and he said no way, warlocks are just to weak. At that point I didn't say anything else. Anyway sorry for the ranting on but its people like that that just annoy me, that they can't even acknowledge the truth. Just wanted to share my experience,

Jason

Ahh forgot to mention, at the end I did use deathcoil for the first time, which was nice.

Pernicious · May 08, 2007, 07:51 AM

No worries Jason.

Soon this pally will learn just how powerful warlocks are. As for your strategy, I would suggest not starting off with double curses as you can only have one curse at a time on any single mob/player. Personally I like to start off with Curse of Shadows and Seduction. then Blast them with a shadow bolt at max range followed by fear. Load em up with all to dots you got (Curse of Agony, Immolate, and Corruption at your level / spec i believe) and either drain life or spam Shadow bolts until fear expires, then repeat.

Remember that Fear is now shorter, and subject to diminishing returns, making you only get 3 fears each one shorter than the last. I believe the max length you get on fear 1 is 12 seconds. then 8 and 6 (someone correct me if i'm wrong on that). So its good to keep a count in your head so that you do not encounter immune and have wasted time that could have gone for a nice shadow bolt or searing pain.

Next time I'm sure you'll get him.

Fedya · May 08, 2007, 07:56 AM

@Pernicious: I'm not sure where he said he used double curses? He started with corruption and Curse of Agony.

@silversvt: try to drain life to heal up. fights with pallyes and shammes are usualy longer than the others (due to lots of healing) but we should win at the end :P

Pernicious · May 08, 2007, 07:59 AM

My bad, I saw Cor and was thinking Curse of Recklessness. Which seemed like an odd choice. :P

urbranded · May 08, 2007, 08:34 AM

When dueling, i noticed you refrained from using Death-Coil and your health potions, you noticed he didnt refrain from bubbling up and fully healing. You were given those spells as your class to use. If they can't understand that, too bad, dont duel Warlocks, or expect to die. Thats my Motto.......

Tahl · May 08, 2007, 03:46 PM

Seems to me like you did well. The only "mistakes" from what you wrote, would be not keeping track on the diminishing returns from fear/seduce and walking backwards when casting dots instead of strafing or running. Remember that fear and seduce shares diminishing returns.

Majestrix · May 08, 2007, 03:55 PM

Also remember that Death Coil is not (atm anyway) subject to diminishing returns and it damages him as well as heals you. Used right at the end, this would've given you the win.

Maj

Geovanie · May 08, 2007, 03:58 PM

with the ablity to use a health stone and or a potion at my level thats another 3k hp right there thay have to drop, as for pallys beeing better then locks i killed the same pally 6 times in a row with him full heal full mana each time and he never had me worryed, so locks are much better then pallys, just play it smart

Rottensteak · May 08, 2007, 04:01 PM

One thing I noticed is you were DoTing him and then seducing. The DoTs will break seduce, so maybe if you waited to seduce after the DoTs ran out it would've been more effective.

Duchovny · May 08, 2007, 07:40 PM

Man don't worry, they speak speak speak but to be honest i find pallys one of the easiests classes to beat, i normaly use felhunter to silence him i prefer then succubus...
He forgot to mension as well that you were 3 leves below him??
Its nice to see this guys speaking, bring them to a real BG and see how they cry ;)

May 08, 2007, 07:42 AM	#1 (permalink)
silversvt Lurker Character Info Krackken 70 Human Warlock Thunderlord US PvP Guild: Vex Profile: Blizzard Armory Talent Spec: 24/37/0	Lost to a paladin. I just hit 42 last nite and before I logged a level 45 paladin wanted to duel. So I accepted and started off by walking backwards casting Corr and Curse of Agony while having my succ seduce him. Got maximum distance and hit him with a ShadowBolt and then fear followed by another ShadowBolt. He broke fear and came at me hitting me several times until I got another seduce on him and put another Corr on him followed by another ShadowBolt by this time he put up his bubble and fully healed. I hit him with another ShadowBolt when his bubble left followed by Corr and Curse of Agony while walking backwards trying to get another seduce off which didn't happen. I tried fear which he was immune but I did manage to get off a Howl and used 1 more ShadowBolt followed by a ShadowBurn. He had 1 spec of life left when he got to me and hit me for the killing blow. During this whole fight I did not heal or use a potion. What kinda irks me is him saying gd but then followed by I must have had tons of stamina gear and I said no I am about shadowdamage. He then preceeded to say that warlocks are usually so easy to kill and so I said well you know if I had even used a potion or healthstone this fight would have been over and he said no way, warlocks are just to weak. At that point I didn't say anything else. Anyway sorry for the ranting on but its people like that that just annoy me, that they can't even acknowledge the truth. Just wanted to share my experience, Jason Ahh forgot to mention, at the end I did use deathcoil for the first time, which was nice. Last edited by silversvt; May 08, 2007 at 08:34 AM.

May 08, 2007, 07:51 AM	#2 (permalink)
Pernicious Character Info Pernicious 74 Blood Elf Warlock Dark Iron US PvP Guild: Dire Beef Profile: Blizzard Armory Talent Spec: 0/52/9	Re: Lost to a paladin. No worries Jason. Soon this pally will learn just how powerful warlocks are. As for your strategy, I would suggest not starting off with double curses as you can only have one curse at a time on any single mob/player. Personally I like to start off with Curse of Shadows and Seduction. then Blast them with a shadow bolt at max range followed by fear. Load em up with all to dots you got (Curse of Agony, Immolate, and Corruption at your level / spec i believe) and either drain life or spam Shadow bolts until fear expires, then repeat. Remember that Fear is now shorter, and subject to diminishing returns, making you only get 3 fears each one shorter than the last. I believe the max length you get on fear 1 is 12 seconds. then 8 and 6 (someone correct me if i'm wrong on that). So its good to keep a count in your head so that you do not encounter immune and have wasted time that could have gone for a nice shadow bolt or searing pain. Next time I'm sure you'll get him.

May 08, 2007, 07:56 AM	#3 (permalink)
Fedya Member Character Info Elleyna 70 Human Warlock Ysondre US PvP Guild: Eternal ROC Profile: Blizzard Armory Talent Spec: 41-1-19	Re: Lost to a paladin. @Pernicious: I'm not sure where he said he used double curses? He started with corruption and Curse of Agony. @silversvt: try to drain life to heal up. fights with pallyes and shammes are usualy longer than the others (due to lots of healing) but we should win at the end :P

May 08, 2007, 07:59 AM	#4 (permalink)
Pernicious Character Info Pernicious 74 Blood Elf Warlock Dark Iron US PvP Guild: Dire Beef Profile: Blizzard Armory Talent Spec: 0/52/9	Re: Lost to a paladin. My bad, I saw Cor and was thinking Curse of Recklessness. Which seemed like an odd choice. :P

May 08, 2007, 08:34 AM	#5 (permalink)
urbranded Lurker Character Info Shadeo 70 Undead Warlock Gurubashi US PvP Guild: Iorny Talent Spec: 20/41/0	Re: Lost to a paladin. When dueling, i noticed you refrained from using Death-Coil and your health potions, you noticed he didnt refrain from bubbling up and fully healing. You were given those spells as your class to use. If they can't understand that, too bad, dont duel Warlocks, or expect to die. Thats my Motto.......

May 08, 2007, 03:46 PM	#6 (permalink)
Tahl Member Character Info Tahl 70 Undead Warlock Jaedenar Euro PvP Talent Spec: 44/0/17	Re: Lost to a paladin. Seems to me like you did well. The only "mistakes" from what you wrote, would be not keeping track on the diminishing returns from fear/seduce and walking backwards when casting dots instead of strafing or running. Remember that fear and seduce shares diminishing returns.

May 08, 2007, 03:55 PM	#7 (permalink)
Majestrix Member Character Info Majestrix 70 Human Warlock Kargath US PvE Guild: Keepers of the Old Ways Profile: Blizzard Armory Talent Spec: 0/56/5	Re: Lost to a paladin. Also remember that Death Coil is not (atm anyway) subject to diminishing returns and it damages him as well as heals you. Used right at the end, this would've given you the win. Maj

May 08, 2007, 03:58 PM	#8 (permalink)
Geovanie Lurker Character Info Geovanie 70 Gnome Warlock emrald dream US RP PvP Guild: Dark Hollow Profile: Blizzard Armory Talent Spec: 41/0/20	Re: Lost to a paladin. with the ablity to use a health stone and or a potion at my level thats another 3k hp right there thay have to drop, as for pallys beeing better then locks i killed the same pally 6 times in a row with him full heal full mana each time and he never had me worryed, so locks are much better then pallys, just play it smart

May 08, 2007, 04:01 PM	#9 (permalink)
Rottensteak Registered Character Info Jevaka 70 Undead Warlock The Venture Co. US PvP Guild: Doom Bringers Talent Spec: 0/21/40	Re: Lost to a paladin. One thing I noticed is you were DoTing him and then seducing. The DoTs will break seduce, so maybe if you waited to seduce after the DoTs ran out it would've been more effective.

May 08, 2007, 07:40 PM	#10 (permalink)
Duchovny Member Character Info Duchovny 70 Human Warlock Grim Batol Euro PvP Guild: Portugallia	Re: Lost to a paladin. Man don't worry, they speak speak speak but to be honest i find pallys one of the easiests classes to beat, i normaly use felhunter to silence him i prefer then succubus... He forgot to mension as well that you were 3 leves below him?? Its nice to see this guys speaking, bring them to a real BG and see how they cry ;)