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June 27, 2008, 07:47 PM
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Themorrigan 70 Human Warlock Kil'Jaeden US PvP Guild: The Collective Profile: Blizzard Armory Talent Spec: 0/0/0 |
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June 29, 2008, 07:02 PM
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Evileye 70 Human Warlock Deathguard Euro PvP Guild: For the king Profile: Blizzard Armory Talent Spec: 0/14/47 |
Re: Doing something horribly wrong...
Sigh, it is time for me to ask a question.  We play a warlock+ resto druid combo, I'm well geared ( all veng except s2 dagger and shoulders, 13 k hp, 470 res, 1200 spd), and my druid is not full a1 atm (2 blue rep PVP pieces), he has s2 mace, approx +1600 to healing spells, 440 res, 9700 hp and standard 7-11-42 spec. We managed to reach 1600 in season 3 (he has become level 70 level not long ago), but at the beginning of season 4 we are completly destroyed. Almost every team has a descently geared rogue: we face rogue+druid, rogue+ paladin, rogue + priest , rogue + mage etc. Rarely we meet warrior+druid or priest. So in 95 % of all cases the enemy team consists of melee DPS + healer. And we do not know what exactly we have to do to win against these setups with sure. The main problem is - my druid dies very fast. He usually uses all his abilities to stay alive against warrior or rogue, I try to help him with fears, I CC the enemy healer so he cannot dispell hot's, and so on. But melee classes keep destroying him. After some agony my druid goes OOM, enemy healer usually is at 50% hp and has smth about 1 k mana (I chase him all the time, dot, fear and drain mana), and we lose. Or the rogue just sits on me and my druid goes OOM trying to heal his burst damage, I cannot do much because of snares, poisons etc, and their healer is very comfortable.  Today after meeting 15 teams with rogue in a row we became very frustrated and he decided to respec to restokin (24-0-37) to be able to prodduse some burst damage to warriors and rogues chasing him. Will it be better, or shall we stick to his previous build and just wait a little for his gear to become better (druid hopes to take a4 robe and pants soon, but now we doubt that we will be able to reach 1600 or even 1550 rating in his present gear :'( ) We just don't see what we are doing wrong. I played just the same style with my previous resto, who was slightly better geared, and we reached 1700 ratings without such problems. He wasn't dying so fast, I was able to mana drain and kill the healer while druid was kiting melee DPS around. But we didn't meet so many melee teams O_O. So I have some questions for all those kind people who managed to read through all this wall of text  1) Do our problems arise from his gear, because all melee players are 4/5 s3 and often with s3 weapons at our battlegroup (even at 1500), or our tactics (druid kites DPS while I chase, dot healer and DPS, mana drain and kill enemy healer) is completely wrong? We do not have much problems with 2 DPS teams, but we meet them so rarely at our battlegroup  Even rogue + mage is much easier then rogue + healer because we just need to kite, CC and wait while my dots kill them. 2 ) Can his respec to restokin help us ? 3 ) I hate melee 
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June 30, 2008, 12:36 AM
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Themorrigan 70 Human Warlock Kil'Jaeden US PvP Guild: The Collective Profile: Blizzard Armory Talent Spec: 0/0/0 |
Re: Doing something horribly wrong...
27/0/34 isn't Restokin. Restokin, also referred to as Dreamstate, is 34/0/27 - it looks like this [edit: nevermind, looking at his armory he did correctly spec Restokin]. I've played with a Druid since S1 and this season he switched to DS, and so far we both much prefer it to when he played a traditional 8/11/42 Resto spec. The advantages of DS instead of normal Resto are: - Ability to put out strong damage when left alone - Significantly higher mp5 from Dreamstate - Moonkin Form, which is essentially is a Bear Form you can cast Roots and Cyclone from The disadvantages of DS instead of normal Resto are: - No Swiftmend, meaning it's harder to catch up if he gets behind in healing - No Natural Perfection, which means he takes more damage when being focused (this will be somewhat negated if he uses Moonkin Form intelligently) - No interrupt/escape from Feral Charge - Easier to find in stealth because of no Feral Instinct You're fighting these teams because it's the start of the season and everyone's back at 1500. I fought 3 different Warglaive Rogue/Disc Priest teams in the 1600s this week, which was totally sweet. Rogue/Healer is always going to be tough. It's by far the hardest matchup for Warlock/Healer, and honestly Warlock/Druid is the only one of the Warlock/Healer comps that can win games at all. You shouldn't be losing to Mage/Rogue, I hope that wasn't one of the Rogue teams you were having trouble with. Last edited by doogless; June 30, 2008 at 01:11 AM.. |
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June 30, 2008, 01:22 AM
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Re: Doing something horribly wrong...
I feel so much better now knowing im not the only one with these issues lol. My restoD only has +1250ish heals, 380ish res. We managed to make it to 1600 for s4 so i could get that rated stuff, but as the weekend progressed we hover in low 1500's. Those teams are wreckin my druid also (ie melee/healer). We (warlocks) cant hardly cc warriors and you know how rogues are, so he is left to cc them himself (mostly) and heal me ofcourse. It seems like every healer we face has 1600-1800 heals, 400+ res. So it takes forever to oom them, so we struggle through, get melee low, healer almost oom, then WE/HE dies before I can close the show. SO frustrating! Cant wait till 2.4.3 comes out so Fel Armor doesnt get dispelled. That will make it SO nice with heals (and damage ofcourse). Anyway, i feel your pain lol. |
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June 30, 2008, 01:45 AM
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Anyway, on-topic: This week i finally got my druid to level 60 and i am starting to see resto specs for arena. So far the ability to do damage seems like a good advantage for restokin, especially to grind honor, as for me being a pure healer in BG its painful without some DPS support and the idea of a bear that can cyclone makes me drool. Still, i have a couple of questions and i would appreciate any feedback: - Would i be able to heal heroics/10 men with that spec, will it be doable but much harder? - Any idea of how does it works with a warrior/druid? This will be my comp because my pally leveled a warrior to play with me. Anyway, it's probably just daydreaming, as i will be doing 3's with warrior/mage/druid (if Morganfaey is interested, that is) and don't see this happening without swiftmend. *** Information added 8 Minutes and 54 Seconds later... *** Quote:
As for the warriors, we can do little more than DC and CoEx to CC them, but if you manage to do enough damage to him and CC on their healer, he will need to play defensively or risk a death. It's kind of strange, they are way less CCable, but i prefear to face warriors than rogues, mainly due the ammount of CC/defense the rogues have.
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June 30, 2008, 04:24 AM
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Themorrigan 70 Human Warlock Kil'Jaeden US PvP Guild: The Collective Profile: Blizzard Armory Talent Spec: 0/0/0 |
Re: Doing something horribly wrong...
You need to be a traditional Resto spec for playing with a Warrior if you want to have any chance against double DPS teams. You can probably heal heroics with it, although I guess it depends on your gear/your tanks gear. And yeah, I'm not saying Warlock/Paladin, Warlock/Priest, or Warlock/Shaman can't ever beat Priest/Rogue, but if both sides have equal gear and skill, the Priest/Rogue is just going to win almost every time. Warlock/Druid still loses more than they win, but by the Druid CCing the Rogue and being able to dodge Mana Burns more easily, they stand a reasonable shot at out-manaing the Priest/Rogue a few games in a series. Last edited by doogless; June 30, 2008 at 04:29 AM.. |
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June 30, 2008, 05:35 AM
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Evileye 70 Human Warlock Deathguard Euro PvP Guild: For the king Profile: Blizzard Armory Talent Spec: 0/14/47 |
Re: Doing something horribly wrong...
Thanks for your replies Doogles, yes, I made a mistake in his spec  . And mage+ rogue is not our problem, even if they both outgear my druid.Aleksuz, we also wait for 2.4.3  Well, we tried to play arena after druids respec. And we really like restokin more then standard resto spec. We met some strange combos (warlock+druid 2 times, hunter + hunter 1 time ) and they were pure win, of course. And also we met rogue + druid and rogue + paladin.Although we lost to rogue+druid, this game was completely different compared to our games against rogue+healer before respec. My druid lost Swiftmend and + 20 % to healing spells from Empowered Rejuvenation, but gained + 25 % to spell damage and healing spells based on his intellect, so his Lifeblooms and Rejuv tick HARDER now. Now he can comfortly cast 3xLB and Rejuv on me when I'm the FF target for the rogue, and then LEAVE to drink (my pet is always on rogue's healer ofc) . I will stay alive without much problems. And if he is the FF target for the rogue, I have more time to save his butt. Our match against those rogue+druid lasted 20+ minutes, and we just missed 2 opportunities to CC druid and kill the rogue (we didnt even have them before respec). But that wasn't an uphill battle as before, we could definately win. In our second match against rogue+paladin we just lowered rogue's health to 20%, I switched to CC paladin and my druid killed the rogue, lol. Paladin wasn't OOM  I'm looking forward for when my druid returns from work and we continue arena 
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