Being very petty and juvenile

[Liver]

Yes I am. I admit it.

Now that is out in the open.

I love playing my lock, been gearing, reading, and over all enjoy it. I also enjoy the game (many alts) but my beloved lock gets tooled by rogues.

Not an uncommon problem with locks.

What class (similar gearing) can tool a rogue reliably. Like if you had to bet on it. I know that there are awesome locks (mages, etc. whatever) that can, but I mean a class that is the anti class to the rogue.

A class the rogues really worry about.

I will roll one.

[DrkSnpr14]

Prot Pally :D

[tot93]

a warrior. ( im talking abt low lvls though) on my 29 warrior i can beat any twink rogue with just 2 things: improved overpower and disarm

PS:dont know if the same applies at lower lvls

[El Tanakh]

Originally Posted by tot93

a warrior.

At level 70 a warrior friend has serious trouble trying to kill rogues in 1v1, then again I am also capable of consistenly win duels against him, so it might not be the class.

Prot Pally seems a good choice, remembering my few experiences level ing a friend's pally, they have some great weapons against things that hit you fast with melee. But, i think rogues (and feral druids who dont know how to go bear) are the only duels that might have and advantage for the prot pally.

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Just hit me, a human rogue also seems like an excellent choice to kill rogues. Perception will give you an edge to draw frist blood, and in equal gear and similar skill situation, a duel between rogues it's mainly decided by this.

[Liver]

i was afraid of that. the anti class to the rogue being another rogue. also a protection paladin is wonderful PvE, but kinda useless in BGs and arena.

I do have a level 14 gnome rogue, but is very early and I can switch to human if that makes a difference.

[El Tanakh]

Originally Posted by Liver

also a protection paladin is wonderful PvE, but kinda useless in BGs and arena.

I don't think they scale with gear as well as they should, and yes, outside AV they are more or less useless, BUT they might be a nightmare agaisnt rogues in 1v1 (i have not tested it), why?

- Reckoning: Lots of extra hits if the rogue hits as rogues tend to hit fast.
- Seal of Light: Chance to heal yourself with every swing.
- Righteous Fury: -6% to the rogue DPS.
- Retribution Aura & Blessing of Sanctuary: Damage the rogue and reduces damage.

[Oniram]

well first off is this discussion for arena, or bgs? because there can be a pretty big difference. A warrior that knows what he is doing can easily destroy a rogue, simply because of the armor factor. i am speaking from experience since I do have a 70 rogue made just for pvp. Evasion and ghostly strike only do so much for a rogue, but being that cloak of shadows do not purge both hamstring and bleed effects, a rogue will have a very hard time getting away from a warrior let alone killing him. The only effective way for a rogue to kill a warrior (at least in arena) is to kite the warrior around pillars and other objects while attempting to maintain bleed/poison effects on the warrior in hopes that he dies.

The other class that can really give grief to a rogue is a BM hunter if played right. The best way is for the hunter to keep his pet on passive and close by. Once a rogue attempts to stun lock said hunter, the hunter hits beastial wrath. This right here turns the rogue basically into a warrior without plate armor. No stunlocks, poisons, blind, no rogue CC at all will effect the hunter. Therefore the hunter can simply kite with a well placed trap, while using his/her pet. All the rogue can simply do is either hit evasion and hope to outlast God Mode, or vanish and try to get the hunter again later when he isn't expecting the rogue.

I have heard rumors of paladins being able to handle a rogue decently, but from what I gather bubbling is a key factor in such a fight, so I will not discuss this.

In short, rogues are in fact killable, just not by warlocks

[Roast]

as long as you have your cooldowns, and know how to kite, a rogue "can" become manageable. use your trinket, lolcoil and fear at the right time and don't panic. it is Doable!

yes there are the totally overgeared superamazing rogues... but 2.4.3 will sort them out as cheat death scales with your resillience. Nerf gives us a chance.

to be hoenst i felt the same about rogues for a long time; but if you don't panic and use all the spells you have, you should be able to beat them! if someone else finishes you off afterwards it doesnt amtter because.... YOU KILLED THE ROGUE :D hehe

EDIT: i have to say though, in a duel you will die 95% of the time

[Andal]

human rogue is the best racial. only beats out an undead rogue by a hair. perception is a great thing to have to get the jump on another rogue. Will of the Forsaken is what gives the Undead their advantage.

and there is a nice sap macro that helps to bring another stealthed rogue out of hiding, very handy. almost a must have for pvp.

check out RogueSpot.com for the macro and racial discussions. they have debated it to death over there.

as for what can kill a rogue, i think that several classes can do it, if played smartly. you can watch pvp videos for hints or to see how others do it. even if the advantage in only temporary, it might give you an idea to expand on. to watch a really good warlock play go to warcraftmovies.com and look up "Cer". he was mentioned the other day on this site. his vol. 3 & 4 were really entertaining.

i have a secret weapon vs. rogues, if they have blown their trinket, i use the Magic Dust farmed from Dust Devils in Westfall. the drop rate is not great but the stuff is awesome. I have left many rogues with "Z's" coming from their heads in pvp. try to get them to blow their trinket early, hit them with Magic Dust and then go bandage, and wind up a shadowbolt to hit him with the dust lasts for 30 seconds so you can decide how you use the time. also make sure the Rogue doesn't have any DOT's on them or the damage from the next tick will break the sleep that the Magic Dust does.... no, it is not a winning move, but might help you get the advantage and be able to bandage while the rogue is out.

Magic Dust not usable in Arena's, sorry.

[thef00l]

Prot pally seems very nasty indeed, but i'd go for a warrior. I have a friend i've been 2v2 with and he hasn't lost to a rogue yet. The battle between warrior - rogue is in analogy like warlock - mage.
The best part is when rogue pops evasion... improved overpower does WONDERS.