SL / SL Lock Vs Warrior without charge x)

[Heatbabz]

I've seen the 'How to kill a <class>'-thread, and I thought of contributing the cause, so here goes:

Beastslayer versus Beast:

I play Sipon Life / Soul-Link (SL / SL) spec - here is a link to the standard SL / SL spec: http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=Iq0rVRbkoZbxczIizzes.
This spec is intended for endurance and survival benefits due to the healing dot (Siphon Life) and the Damage Mitigation (Soul-Link) which applies 20 % of the damage taken by you, too your pet.


Whenever I encounter a warrior I stay out of distance (out of range!!) and start spamming my corruption-button and move towards him, since the range of my affliction-spells are larger than his charge-range. When he get's corruption applied he is unable to charge, hence he is already in combat due too the corruption-debuff I gave him. After corruption is applied I use the time lost on the GCD (Global Cool Down) to press Ctrl + 1, which is the default hot-key to make my pet attack my current target. Then I start runing away from him while applying Curse of Agony and Siphon Life and then I try go get an Immolate off, before he gains enough rage to intercept me - usually I get it off, if you don't then don't worry, just proceed to the next step: After the intercept I pop Death Coil and fear right of the bat and start Drain-Life during the time he is feared. If the opponent warrior has any common sence, he will most likely use his trinket to get out of the fear and then immediatly pop Berserker Rage (When used it has a 30 second Cooldown), which gives him immunity to fear for the next 10 seconds. If he breaks fear with the trinket and pops Beserker Rage, you should apply Curse of Exhaustion immediatly (You can consider to use Amplify Curse first, to emprove the slowing-effect, but then again you will also loose time - another GCD). Here is where the magic comes to play, the kiting process: You don't want to be too near him, because then he will Hamstring you, slowing your momement speed by 50 %, but you don't want to be too far either because then he will just intercept you, and most likely also hamstring you. The trick is to be in the golden zone - too far away from him to hit you and too near to intercept you.
While your kiting him reapply dot's (But don't reapply Curse of Agony!!! - It will overite your Curse of Exhaustion!!!!). By the time your corruption dot wears off of him you are able to fear him again - and then it's just drain-life for the win, that is, if he's not already dead . However if you fail at the kiting process and he intercepts you, and hamstrings or fears you, you should pop your trinket as fast as possible and continue at the point where you left before you were intercepted / stunned / feared / hamstringed.



Note: Ofcourse having a VoidWalker as you pet is a BIG +++ since the shield will mitigate even more damage, however if your are playing SL / SL you are most likely to use your Felhunter.

Note: Don't waste your healthstone here, unless you really have too . This goes for your Soulstone aswell (That is, if your an world PvP'er .

Remember, practice makes perfect! - It took me some while.

May your collection of souls never dwindle Warlock.

[miyouki]

Not bad,
I've heard people whinging about Warriors on my server.

As you can see, it's not too hard at all.

[zoli]

Well, the first second a warrior sees you, he will switch to Berserker Stance, punch in Berserker Rage, then generate rage through blood rage and intercept you no matter what you are trying to do. Using your strategy, by this time, you just waisted your DC.

The first thing he will do after intercept is hamstring (and keep this on you all the time!), and with the warrior immune to fear you are going nowhere.

With you hamstrung and him immune to fear, he will start to hack away at your felhunter. The felpup will die in a few good swings, (even with 3/3 demonic resilience) and you could only load an immolate if you where smart.

If you still have your feldomination, then you will live. If not, you die! You will need to feldominate a void, now you have 30% melee damage mitigation. Most of you health should still be there, because the warrior was killing you pet, not you. Don't forget to hit soul link again.

Now... with the immolate on the warrior, put CoW, Corr and SifL on him and start drain life. He will indeed pummel you, but not to worry, with 30% damage mitigation, about 12K hp, 450 resi, you're ok. Reaply the 3 instant dot's metioned before if needed, and drain again, maybe you get lucky and get a nightfall.

If you're health get's too low, and you're in danger of an execute, punch in you HS (better if you have it macroed to your battlemaster trinket), and hit even DC, maybe you get lucky and Beserker Rage has past, and death wish is not up. As a last resort, sac void, but remember you will not live long without SL.

[fearstorm]

Alright, from my experience 1v1 with a Warlock against a Warrior is just a straight up DPS race. You can try kiting them but in the end, a good warrior is going to intercept and hamstring you. Just do as much DPS in as little time as possible, use deathcoil at the appropriate time to disrupt his tempo. I can routinely beat 1900+ rating S3 warriors on my server just doing this.

By the way, succubus in SL/SL provides +10% damage, which helps down the warrior before he has the chance to fully utilize all of his rage.

Just my experience.

[zoli]

Some dumbas.s warriors must those be, lol! Also playing Sl/Sl with a sucky is very healthy indeed, rolf!


P.S. I was talking to Fearstorm here, not the author of the thread, Heatbabz!

[Akasha]

People, please remember that we are not the official forums here, and we try to be polite to one another. The author of the thread was trying to provide back to the community, and mocking him or laughing at his post does just the opposite.

That applies to how you treat any member here Zoli.

[Tannenbernie]

Originally Posted by zoli

Well, the first second a warrior sees you, he will switch to Berserker Stance, punch in Berserker Rage, then generate rage through blood rage and intercept you no matter what you are trying to do. Using your strategy, by this time, you just waisted your DC.

The first thing he will do after intercept is hamstring (and keep this on you all the time!), and with the warrior immune to fear you are going nowhere.

I have to fully agree with this, any warrior who knows what he is doing will just generate rage when he sees you from far and make himself fear-immune in the second where he intercepts you. Warriors have macros to do these things, so they need to press only two buttons to generate rage, switch to Zerker, intercept you, followed by immidiate hamstring.

After that you will not get a fear of as he will simply pummel you and you dont have any insta-fear in SL/SL. As hamstring is more powerful than CoEx you can never kite a warrior who knows what he is doing. Well, a good warrior can do the needed 20k damage to kill you against your cloth armor in less than 30 seconds even if you have 400 Resilience, so a warrior who is well played will always be a challenge for a Warlock imo.

[neej]

It is easier with a Felguard, just like rogues. DPS race him down with Shadowburns and Intercept yourself. Death Wish and Beserker Stance are easily avoidable using LockNotes, a great add-on.

My SL/SL days were horrible, I only got 1/2 Imp CoW, and even with Voidwalker out it was praying in 1vs1 situations.

Mortal Strike Counters Drain Life/Siphon Life. Harmstring counters Curse of Exhaustion. Hard to fear that buddy. It's harder than rogues, especially with SL/SL.

[lordofsounds]

Felguard is ok for 1v1 melee combats but dueling times are over. Since we all grinding for arena rating, felhunter is a better choice.

For warriors, I agree with Zoli. But Heatbabz is still right in the opening. You may not do anything for intercept but with an instant or your pet you can avoid the charge.

I use 2 tactics for warriors:

If he's far away I try to use the 11 yards between my spell range and 25 yards intercept range. I turn back and run away casting Corr, Curse of Agony and SiLi. Assuming that we both have speed enchant, warrior can not catch me. ( This is for Arena as warriors like to stay on their mounts in BG's to use dismount+charge (intercept) macro.)


If he's already sitting on me then I stick to his ***, without giving intercept chance. I also use lock notes addon to check his stances. If I can get through Death Wish then he's done. If not, I'm dead.

During Death Wish I try to cast immo first to let him pummel it and then start drain life. Drain life is crucial here. You can not survive a 1v1 warrior combat without drain life. If no enemy casters around, I also pop an instant VW for additional 10% damage migration.

Another very important thing is your health. You must never get below 20% health against a warrior. Or you'll be executed to death.

So keep your DC, HS and VW sacrifice for the last 10 secs of Death Wish period. He will not be able to cast death wish for another 2,5 minutes during which you have to kill him with dots,fears and drain life.

[fearstorm]

Sorry to the author of this thread, I was not mocking you in any way.

It is my belief that it's a waste of time to bother trying to kite a warrior. Any good warrior will spam hamstring right after an intercept, and piercing howl if this somehow fails.

Simply DPS them down, amplify a Curse of Agony, and spam drain life. Use deathcoil at the best time in the duel, for example right after he crits you and procs frenzy, to disrupt his tempo.

In 2v2s, if its double dps just treat it like a duel and burn him down, if it's warrior + healer just survive long enough until his rage immunities are down, this is a 40 second window and is not as hard as it seems especially when teamed with a druid or paladin.