Vent: My first Arena

Krzi · July 20, 2008, 03:58 PM

finally tried arenas today..2v2 and some 3v3.I don't have the greatest gear, but still was talked into giving it a go. And i came to the conclusion that i just plan suck at pvp. we ended up going 0-10 on both arenas and in fact don't think we killed a single target. was very very frustration to say the least. I am affliction lock and seemed like I died very fast before i could even get some spells off. 75% of the time seemed my fear was resisted, and the dots I did get off only scratched the enemy. I felt like I was just target practice and didn't help my team at all.
this is just a vent tread for me to express my anger. Its either this or my fist through my keyboard

blind0wl · July 20, 2008, 04:07 PM

Don't get too frustrated, remember when you start, you start with a 1500 rating...can be pretty difficult especially when your new to it all...going up against 1500 rated teams. You'll find that as your rating goes down you'll be matched up with some teams that are at your level and you will enjoy it more. At the end of the day, you get a cpl of points and will eventually get some gear out of it.

If you want a bit of survivability go SL/SL, but do whatever makes it more fun for you in the long run. Your job is to dot everyone up...run and pillar hump, dot and hide etc

Cheers
Blindy

Malasada · July 20, 2008, 04:20 PM

My fire specced mage friend and I went 0-10 our very first week (I was affliction as well) but didn't care as we just wanted the "free" points. Since them I respecced to SL/SL for arena and BGs and it makes a huge difference. Oh, and picked up a different partner. Now going about 50% -- we're still not very good but at least we survive longer than 10 seconds (well, most of the time).

Since you start at 1500 you're going to face some very tough teams at the beginning. Eventually you'll start facing teams of your own still level. So don't get discouraged, try respeccing, pick up some resilience gear if you don't have it (rep gear and BG rewards S2 honor gear) and you'll eventually start winning games.

El Tanakh · July 20, 2008, 06:38 PM

If you like PvP don't worry and keep at it, i have 13.5k HP, 494 resilience, 926 spell damage totally unbuffed, 113 spell penetration and know more or less how to play at arena after being semi serious for 3 months, and i am still struggling to get past 1700, my highest has been 1699, why?
Composition makes a big part in arena and my partner is a holy pally, wich leave us with too many hard counters, but we keep at it. The satisfaction of killing a rogue/priest team once in a while its totally worth it, and besides, it seems like Wrath of the Lich King holy paladins will be a bit better at 2v2.

Guess i personalized this too much, but what i am trying to say is that arena is a very highly competitive enviroment in which at anytime a bad decition may kill you, but for me its also an incredibly interesting game and the reason for me to keep WoW installed.

Now, if PvP isn't your style, just go and play 10 matches per week, you will find yourself getting items to complete your PvE set with little efforth.

Thralock · July 20, 2008, 06:53 PM

I got absolutely smashed in the opening weeks of S4 so it could be that.

Other points:
* ~37 points (from a SL/SL build) in demonology survivability is mandatory for arena (Soul Link etc).
* if your running with a healer, then SL/SL is best.
* if your running with dps, then SL/SL build is fails as it doesn't have the required burst. The only other SL options are a FG, SL/Ruin or Pyrilus type build. I learnt this the hard way. I repeat, never run 2xdps;3xdps as SL/SL - it is fail.

Good luck

Krzi · July 20, 2008, 07:02 PM

thanks for the replies. I feel better

I loved the felguard for his damage and stuns but other than that i hated him. I'm really happy with the affliction build. I have tried SL/SL (pre-arenas) and thought it was ok for bg's. When Wrath of the Lich King comes out we will be able to get soul link with full affliction

Katczinsky · July 20, 2008, 07:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Thralock

I got absolutely smashed in the opening weeks of S4 so it could be that.

Other points:
* ~37 points (from a SL/SL build) in demonology survivability is mandatory for arena (Soul Link etc).
* if your running with a healer, then SL/SL is best.
* if your running with dps, then SL/SL build is fails as it doesn't have the required burst. The only other SL options are a FG, SL/Ruin or Pyrilus type build. I learnt this the hard way. I repeat, never run 2xdps;3xdps as SL/SL - it is fail.

Good luck

I strongly disagree. I used to play SL/SL with resto druid in S3, hovered around 1800 no problem. I currently run with a rogue, and am currently at 1732, and I foresee climbing higher. Soul link is still a must in double DPS teams (unless you're very skilled and run with an spriest, then you can consider UA affl) for the most part, IMO, as you have no other means of survival besides high stam (fear is more a CC than a means of survival, although a well timed fear will save you time and again). Burst is irrelevent if you yourself wind up being bursted down.

Like everyone said, without the proper gear and experience, arenaing will be very frustrating at first, since you will be fighting against people better geared and more experienced than you. Also, BGing and arenaing are fairly different experiences - simply because one spec doesn't work very well in BGs doesn't mean it won't rock in arenas.

doogless · July 20, 2008, 08:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Thralock

* if your running with dps, then SL/SL build is fails as it doesn't have the required burst. The only other SL options are a FG, SL/Ruin or Pyrilus type build. I learnt this the hard way. I repeat, never run 2xdps;3xdps as SL/SL - it is fail.

SL/SL is by far the most successful build for playing with a Rogue in 2v2. The only mainstream 2 DPS comps for Warlocks are Warlock/Shadow Priest (as UA) and Warlock/Rogue (as SL/SL). For other partners there isn't an established "best" build since so few people play them to really determine what works and what doesn't.

Winter · July 21, 2008, 02:33 AM

Full Affliction with iHoT is awesome for BG's and I would assume its useful for 5s (never done 5s).

However anything else you're going to need to go SL/SL if you want to have any sucess.

Also what is your group make up? I run with a Resto Shammie and we do ok, currently sitting at 1550 and when I get my Brutal Leggings then I should be able to move up to 1600-1650 and I'll get a new Ring and my Robe

Basically its quite dependant right now, because we're still in the beginning stages of S4 a lot of people are not in the right bracket and as everybody does their game and upgrades their gear you'll fall into the right place.

Also you ideally want to have 350+ Resil, 10k HP and 800+ Spell Damage unbuffed before you start it... though you could lose 10 games a week whilst you get the BG sets.

Krzi · July 21, 2008, 03:04 AM

I switched to my old build to the felguard and we (my partner a BM hunter who is new to arena as well) and ended up going 8-14 after I changed. Was still tough at times, but I wasn't nearly as upset as when we first got going. I don't want to re-spec for pvp and pve everynight (still saving up for epic flyer)so even thou I thought about SL/SL I just ended up as FG again. I miss some talents from affliction and still might go back one day.

but thanks for the replies to 'calm' me down and teach me the ways of the arena

July 20, 2008, 03:58 PM	#1 (permalink)
Krzi Member Character Info Krzi 70 Orc Warlock Madoran US PvE Guild: Evil Dead Profile: Blizzard Armory Talent Spec: 20/41/0	Vent: My first Arena finally tried arenas today..2v2 and some 3v3.I don't have the greatest gear, but still was talked into giving it a go. And i came to the conclusion that i just plan suck at pvp. we ended up going 0-10 on both arenas and in fact don't think we killed a single target. was very very frustration to say the least. I am affliction lock and seemed like I died very fast before i could even get some spells off. 75% of the time seemed my fear was resisted, and the dots I did get off only scratched the enemy. I felt like I was just target practice and didn't help my team at all. this is just a vent tread for me to express my anger. Its either this or my fist through my keyboard

July 20, 2008, 04:07 PM	#2 (permalink)
blind0wl Registered Character Info Blindy 70 Human Warlock Frostmourne Oceania PvP	Re: my first arena Don't get too frustrated, remember when you start, you start with a 1500 rating...can be pretty difficult especially when your new to it all...going up against 1500 rated teams. You'll find that as your rating goes down you'll be matched up with some teams that are at your level and you will enjoy it more. At the end of the day, you get a cpl of points and will eventually get some gear out of it. If you want a bit of survivability go SL/SL, but do whatever makes it more fun for you in the long run. Your job is to dot everyone up...run and pillar hump, dot and hide etc Cheers Blindy

July 20, 2008, 04:20 PM	#3 (permalink)
Malasada Lurker Character Info Malasada 70 Undead Warlock Trollbane US PvE Guild: Walkin' After Midnight	Re: my first arena My fire specced mage friend and I went 0-10 our very first week (I was affliction as well) but didn't care as we just wanted the "free" points. Since them I respecced to SL/SL for arena and BGs and it makes a huge difference. Oh, and picked up a different partner. Now going about 50% -- we're still not very good but at least we survive longer than 10 seconds (well, most of the time). Since you start at 1500 you're going to face some very tough teams at the beginning. Eventually you'll start facing teams of your own still level. So don't get discouraged, try respeccing, pick up some resilience gear if you don't have it (rep gear and BG rewards S2 honor gear) and you'll eventually start winning games.

July 20, 2008, 06:38 PM	#4 (permalink)
El Tanakh Character Info Njörðr 70 Tauren Druid Cho'gall US PvP Profile: Blizzard Armory	Re: Vent: My first Arena If you like PvP don't worry and keep at it, i have 13.5k HP, 494 resilience, 926 spell damage totally unbuffed, 113 spell penetration and know more or less how to play at arena after being semi serious for 3 months, and i am still struggling to get past 1700, my highest has been 1699, why? Composition makes a big part in arena and my partner is a holy pally, wich leave us with too many hard counters, but we keep at it. The satisfaction of killing a rogue/priest team once in a while its totally worth it, and besides, it seems like Wrath of the Lich King holy paladins will be a bit better at 2v2. Guess i personalized this too much, but what i am trying to say is that arena is a very highly competitive enviroment in which at anytime a bad decition may kill you, but for me its also an incredibly interesting game and the reason for me to keep WoW installed. Now, if PvP isn't your style, just go and play 10 matches per week, you will find yourself getting items to complete your PvE set with little efforth.

July 20, 2008, 06:53 PM	#5 (permalink)
Thralock Member Character Info Thrale 70 Undead Warlock Blackrock US PvP Profile: Blizzard Armory Talent Spec: 0/21/40	Re: Vent: My first Arena I got absolutely smashed in the opening weeks of S4 so it could be that. Other points: * ~37 points (from a SL/SL build) in demonology survivability is mandatory for arena (Soul Link etc). * if your running with a healer, then SL/SL is best. * if your running with dps, then SL/SL build is fails as it doesn't have the required burst. The only other SL options are a FG, SL/Ruin or Pyrilus type build. I learnt this the hard way. I repeat, never run 2xdps;3xdps as SL/SL - it is fail. Good luck

July 20, 2008, 07:02 PM	#6 (permalink)
Krzi Member Character Info Krzi 70 Orc Warlock Madoran US PvE Guild: Evil Dead Profile: Blizzard Armory Talent Spec: 20/41/0	Re: Vent: My first Arena thanks for the replies. I feel better I loved the felguard for his damage and stuns but other than that i hated him. I'm really happy with the affliction build. I have tried SL/SL (pre-arenas) and thought it was ok for bg's. When Wrath of the Lich King comes out we will be able to get soul link with full affliction

July 21, 2008, 02:33 AM	#9 (permalink)
Winter Member	Re: Vent: My first Arena Full Affliction with iHoT is awesome for BG's and I would assume its useful for 5s (never done 5s). However anything else you're going to need to go SL/SL if you want to have any sucess. Also what is your group make up? I run with a Resto Shammie and we do ok, currently sitting at 1550 and when I get my Brutal Leggings then I should be able to move up to 1600-1650 and I'll get a new Ring and my Robe Basically its quite dependant right now, because we're still in the beginning stages of S4 a lot of people are not in the right bracket and as everybody does their game and upgrades their gear you'll fall into the right place. Also you ideally want to have 350+ Resil, 10k HP and 800+ Spell Damage unbuffed before you start it... though you could lose 10 games a week whilst you get the BG sets.

July 21, 2008, 03:04 AM	#10 (permalink)
Krzi Member Character Info Krzi 70 Orc Warlock Madoran US PvE Guild: Evil Dead Profile: Blizzard Armory Talent Spec: 20/41/0	Re: Vent: My first Arena I switched to my old build to the felguard and we (my partner a BM hunter who is new to arena as well) and ended up going 8-14 after I changed. Was still tough at times, but I wasn't nearly as upset as when we first got going. I don't want to re-spec for pvp and pve everynight (still saving up for epic flyer)so even thou I thought about SL/SL I just ended up as FG again. I miss some talents from affliction and still might go back one day. but thanks for the replies to 'calm' me down and teach me the ways of the arena