Help killing Reti pallys

[dragonjk]

I am a UA spec warlock, the 3 classes i hate the most are reti pallys, rogues are warriors.

With warriors and rogues, I can get them close to death usally, mainly due to CoEx, hell i cam somtimes beat em, but reti pallys are a pain in the ***. I cant use CoEx because they will cast blessing of freedom. If i used devour magic to try and dispell it as soon as its cast it always removes the wrong thing. (usally their seal) Now i know fear is good vs pallys cause they only defence they have aginst it is bubble, however whenever i go to cast it they just stun me, followed by a Seal of command Judgement crit which HURTS. My gear aint so great atm, only got like 3 epics, rest are blues and some greens.

Is it my gear? or my tactics? any tips?

Oh also I have about 9khp and 8.4k mana

[Theleb]

You've said it yourself, your gear isn't great and sadly, Warlocks without Soul Link are very sensitive to melee.

That aside, you're UA Specced which lacks the other vital survival tools in the Demonology tree - this is why SL/SL is such a popular spec for BG/Arena. I can only suggest you have to keep grinding honour until you get the point where you can take a few hits.

[dragonjk]

SL/SL, it seems like more and more warlocks are reccormending it. I just dont like the idea of outlasting my enemy rather then killing them... i cant stand that.

[TheAkrab]

Originally Posted by dragonjk

SL/SL, it seems like more and more warlocks are reccormending it. I just dont like the idea of outlasting my enemy rather then killing them... i cant stand that.

This would be the worst possible spec against retribution paladins. They can dispell. Meaning you have very limited ways of attacking them. But yes, overall it is good for survival (recommended against rogues and warriors).

Paladins, meh, they're all the same. Once they've bubbled they're about as strong as rice paper. Just keep the DoTs up and drain life as much as possible, save your deathcoil for when they try to heal. Howl of Terror can be used for that as well. Basically, try to use your single-target fear as much as possible. Gear is key, stack up on resillience, stamina and spelldamage. Those are the only three stats you need for PvP (spell penetration can be handy too, at times). The pet of choice against a paladin would be either an imp (for dark pact), or a felhunter. Retribution paladins generally don't need to be countered by a felhunter. Their heals are pretty weak. Another way to counter heals is to use curse of tongues in combination with your single-target fear. The paladin has no healing over time spell and their heals need to be cast, use this to your advantage.

Hope this helps!

[Theleb]

I do sympathise, I don't like SL/SL and while I can definately see its effectiveness, its not for me. Sadly, without the SL buffer you can quite often get mauled to death by a Warrior or Rogue, to say nothing of a Ret Paladin if your gear isn't top notch.

[Redmage]

Ret Paladins hit very hard if they have good gear. You will have a lot of trouble if you don't have the proper resilience gear.

Some pointers:

1) They have to get close to you. Most ret pallies will use either 1) Repentance or 2) Hammer of Justice to get in your face. Devour magic that immediately. Now you make a good point about dispelling other debuffs that the pally puts on you. I believe they do need to get to you first if they want to apply that, so if they start at a distance, you still have a good chance to remove the stun. Also, if all else fails, use your trinket to get rid of the stun as ret pallies do MORE damage when you are stunned.

Also, don't hesitate to use your deathcoil and fear to establish an early distance, once you keep them on the fear chain, they can't really do much. Compare to a rogue and a warrior, ret pallies are easy to keep away.

I would think, as a UA lock, your UA protects all your other dots well. Instant Howl of Terror is also pretty useful against a ret pally.


I think as your gear improves, ret pallies will no longer be a problem. Retribution is a bit like Destruction. If the target (you) has no resilience, the damage is pretty OP....

[Solarus]

heh well I just finished 2 hours of slaughtering horde with my ret paladin in BGs. It helps when you play the class itself to know their weaknesses.

To fight a ret paladin you have to be extremely offensive and extremely defensive. If that means not letting them stun you first, then so be it. If you see one charging at your face, death coil immediately before they get in range of stun. Then chain fear him. If he comes out of fear, run for the hills. You want your dots to do enough damage in this time to force him to bubble. Once he bubbles he can either do 2 things. Charge at you, in which case, you run like hell again or you will be destroyed. If he heals, prepare to fear him as soon as he comes out of the bubble. Make sure you're out of range of his stun while he's bubbled :P

Once his bubble has been used, other than stun and repentance, he doesnt have any ways to interrupt your fear. Which means he's dead :P

[dragonjk]

I seea weakness in that, dim returns, plus it will only work properly if you have lot of spell damage, which i dont.. 711 :(

[Theleb]

Kill them now, before they get buffed in Wrath of the Lich King!!

As with other melee, keep your distance - devour whatever Blessings they put on themselves (usually Freedom) and remember they WILL be able to run faster than you so keep your distance as stated. Force a bubble and you can stand a chance to dot kite/fear them to death.

Without the ability to kite them, they are very hard to deal with - its another fight where you simply HAVE to keep control.

[Roast]

also, a felhunter can eat the stun that he casts