Against a pirest's prayer of mending.

[El Tanakh]

In Arena 2v2 my paladin and I usually have problems with Priest/XX mainly because the priest goes offensive and OOM's the paladin. Currently i am dotting everything in sight with CoT on priest and then try to fear/burst, but maybe this is wrong, would it be better to CoT (or CoEx) the priest and only DoT 1 target? That way ProM won't be jumping like crazy and the priest will actually have to be healing insted of manaburning.

Thoughts?

[Debuff]

yep. Just put dots on the target that you are killing. Generally keep CoT on the priest but if he tries to run at your healer to get off a fear+manaburn then you can CoEx him so your paladin can get away. Also, keep in mind that POM only bounces if another target is within 20 yards. usually thats sufficient to keep it bouncing but there are times when it is not and you can use this to your advantage.

[El Tanakh]

Originally Posted by Debuff

Also, keep in mind that POM only bounces if another target is within 20 yards.

Thanks for the feedback.

[doogless]

Watch Pyrilus' latest video, it shows Warlock/Paladin against Priest/Rogue - Pyrilus 4 - Learn 2 Lock By Pyrilus

The recent strat that has developed for Warlock/Healer against Priest/Rogue is
- Full DoTs on the Rogue
- Felhunter on the Rogue with auto-Devour on (or off if you can remember to hit Devour every 8 seconds... I can't)
- CoX on the Priest and NO DOTS
- When all DoTs are up on the Rogue, Fear the Rogue (fake-cast to bait a Kick, etc). The main purpose of this is to make him blow cooldowns like CloS to stay on you

With the Felhunter Devouring PWS, ProM, and Renew, the Priest will be forced to hard-cast heals. This is amazing because
- the Priest isn't Mana Burning your partner
- the Priest isn't dispelling you (more an issue for Warlock/Druid)
- the Priest can be Spell Locked if the Rogue is low
Additionally, having the pet on the Rogue rather than the Priest means your pet never gets feared so you can devour fear if your partner gets hit. If you hit a Spell Lock on a heal when the Rogue is low, have your partner throw some quick damage into the Rogue with you and drop him.

The change to Fel Armor ended up being pretty huge for this matchup, as an extra 20% healing on the Warlock is very significant.

[El Tanakh]

Oddly enough i just DLed that vid yesterday, haven't watched it yet.

Thanks Doog.

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As a side note, that was the thread that made me realize that i was playing it the wrong way.

To highjack my thread, and as an open question to any Lock that has played with druid and pally, is it that much better of a healer the druid?

[doogless]

The video is good, I learned a lot from it. Pyrilus is an excellent Warlock.

[El Tanakh]

I swear i will make a ally for the second time in my life just to chat with you Doogless, someday... = )

[Cynic]

I play Druid/Lock on both my warlock and my druid, our usual strat vs. priest/x teams is four dots on both targets, pet on the priest with autodevour on. After the first minute of fighting the only buff on the priest is PoM as it bounces around, and renew. The cooldown on PoM is 10 seconds, devour is 8. So with the pet alone it's very rare that the spell gets more than 1 bounce off before it's gone.

Four dots on both targets (3 if you can't fake-cast immolate, and if your healer can't CC/root/snare the rogue for those casts) and PoM is really a non-issue anyways. If the priest is doing nothing but mana burning and dispelling, you can safely save interupts for the Gheal when it eventually rears its ugly head.

We've had less than 2 minute matches against these teams in the 1700's simply because the priest kept trying to go offensive instead of heal. Also, Mana Burn has a range. 30 yards. Heals are 40 yards. You should be able to fairly safely stay out of mana burn range to heal, than either LoS or back up a little more.

CoEx on the priest helps keep them away so they can't get the clutch Fear-Mana Burn-Mana Burn-Chastise-Mana Burn off on you. CC the rogue/dps as much as you can (really abuse CC here, he'll pop cooldowns fast and then be basically useless if you can survive them). The key to this game is basically Line of Sighting the priest and how good you and your warlock are at locking down the rogue (or whatever dps the priest is with).


Alternately, you can just burn fear ward and trinket off the priest early, make the rogue pop cloak of shadows then wait for diminishing returns on fear, CoT, Fear x3, Spell lock-Death coil and then hammer of justice/cyclone/earth shock/chastise/whatever you need to do to keep the priest locked down as the rogue dies to dots.

Going for the quick gib is much more difficult to do, but it's an easier win and even if you don't get the kill off, you've burned a lot of their cooldowns while keeping your own available, and are a step ahead in the match.


Final piece of advice for Pallies: Judgement of Justice on the rogue and the priest. It will help you greatly in staying out of range of CC/Mana Burns.

Final piece of advice for all casters/ranged: Position is everything in Arena. If you get caught out in the open and are CC'd while they kill your healer, it's your fault. You should be away from melee as much as possible, sitting right on top of hunters to avoid aimed shot/being nuked hard. Away from priests/pallies/druids and close to shamans for totem stomping.

[El Tanakh]

Hi Cynic =)

Thanks for the feedback.

Ill try the other option because as a paladin you can't run while healing, giving the priest the time to fear->manaburn and thus winning the match. Will try to remember to post the outcome.

[doogless]

DoTing the Priest isn't a good idea. While ProM has a longer cooldown than Devour, the Priest can just get your Felhunter to Devour a Renew (even a low-rank one if he's paying attention) and then bounce a ProM while Devour is on CD to heal them both to full.