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October 16, 2008, 12:42 PM
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PvP thought and comments
Well...first impressions of full afflict tree? full demon tree? sl/sl tree? 20/41 tree? i feel very fragile vs melees... i like the new spellstone, amplify curse, fear gylph hmmm what more...? ok rest is kinda crap. Demon would be ok if we didnt have so many useless/retard talents like...health tunnel, imp voidwalker, master conjurer, demon tactics, demon emphaty and demonic pact. about destro, no felweave gear here so im not commenting it. im trying http://talent.mmo-champion.com/?warl...21503132201051 soon |
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October 16, 2008, 12:47 PM
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Re: PvP thought and comments
Imp Health Funnel is not a weak talent. Every sane Arena opponent tries to kill your felhunter. Demonic Tactics in only weak right now unless you stacked a lot of crit it doesnt make sense for pvp to have any crit at all, I agree. |
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October 16, 2008, 12:58 PM
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Re: PvP thought and comments
Ok imp health is not that bad but i mean...you dont have time in an arena for that...come on...might be usefull sometimes but...not enough |
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October 16, 2008, 01:00 PM
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Carnos 70 Undead Warlock Blackwater Raiders US RP Guild: Praetorians Profile: Blizzard Armory Talent Spec: 22/39/0 |
Re: PvP thought and comments
If you are still going to PvP, you will need to stay SL/SL. This is how I will be speced until the expansion comes out SL/SL I added the 3 points to Demonic Brutality for 2 reasons; 1. Need to use 3 points to get to tier 4. It really does not matter since all that is left is not really usable for PvP. Also the Succubus is really still too weak for PvP. 2. You still will be questing and doing dailies, right? Man, have you seen what Big Blue can do now? We have our Tank! If you are not going to be raiding and doing many instants on your way to level 80, then this should also be ok for leveling. You can add to Affliction as you level and respec at 80 for what you need - Raid, PvP, PvE...whatever.
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October 16, 2008, 02:00 PM
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Re: PvP thought and comments
I have less chances vs melee with sl/sl than with 5/50/5 |
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October 22, 2008, 11:06 PM
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Re: PvP thought and comments
As i have said in other posts... destro is the way to go... it doesnt really matter if you have dreadweave gear or not. Most of the other players will be noobs and you will be able to down them ez. You cannot 4get that they NERFED everything, and those noobs at 60 will b 70 b4 you know it. and guess what that means! THATS RIGHT! free honor= felweave gear... so enjoy the noobs while they last... I will honestly be selling them... BTW NERF RESILIENCE, my shadowfury, shadowburn, immolate, searing pain, 3 fears, and 5 seduces were all resisted by a mage in ONE FIGHT. course my talent allowed me 2 absorb his pompyro>> OWNED but then i got OWNED by the hunter that seems 2 b ganking me in bgs :-/ wont let me solo him. *** Information added 10 Minutes and 36 Seconds later... *** Oh, and another thing, just to promote destruction... Even though i have not had a chance to try destruction in arenas, i must say it is very helpful in bgs... cept 4 that mage :-/ I honestly love seeing warriors, rets and rogues as they r so easy 2 pwn... a nice shadowfury stun, immolate, fear, they break, DC, fear, searing pain, incinerate, Backlash incinerate cuz theyre probably on you by now... Death Coil, conflag, and Shadowburn, if theyre not down yet, then use your safety measure CHAOSBOLT! btw... Chaosbolt gets a bad rap, ive honestly used it in many bgs and it owns everything... Specially if you get a crit, got a 4k crit earlier 2day, was able 2 nuke early  ... its also a good replacement 4 soulfire if you need a quick bombo and survivability is another matter... I honestly dont get what everybody is complaining about... warriors stink on me, rogues do very little damage unless you got a buddy wit you, and rets are just stanky as once that little spin activates, you got a 10 second window of stuns, nukes and utter confusion on their part. The only problem that i find is pompyro mages, well not technically them, just that when i find a pompyro theres generally an arcane mage wit them. Technically, a destruction lock is a good way to play... Even if you have noncrit gear, your high health/dreadweave+ crit talents will more than make up for it. So always besure to give something a try... even if you are wearing dreadweave... BTW heres a destro wave that i find works shadowfury>immolate>searing pain>incinerate>chaos bolt(if you got distance and time)>Shadowburn/Conflagrate(interchangable)>Conflagrate/Shadowburn O and I LOVE affliction/demo locks... so much fun... specially when your shadow/fire resistance talent procs and you take no damage while theyre bizy getting nuked... o and BANISH BABY + SOULFIRE! |
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October 23, 2008, 10:50 AM
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Barghbq 80 Orc Warlock Azshara US PvP Guild: Grey Hand Profile: Blizzard Armory Talent Spec: 53/0/18 |
Re: PvP thought and comments
I spent a few days as Demo (0/56/5 - Bane), and have to say that I survived every 1v1 fight that began where I had full health, and even a few where I was half or less. Maybe it was just the quality of the players - I'm not sure - but class didn't matter. As somebody mentioned before, it's fun to watch a rogue run from you while because you're beating on him as a demon. Now, if I had two melee on me, I'd go down fast (and three or more I didn't even have time to shift). I'd only tried Demo once before, and I have to say that if I'm going to grind battlegrounds, I'll probably re-spec to Demo every time. |
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October 23, 2008, 10:59 AM
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Ammit 80 Gnome Warlock Ravencrest US PvE Guild: FIRESTORM Profile: Blizzard Armory Talent Spec: 0/56/15 |
Re: PvP thought and comments
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Again, just my opinion, but sl/sl is most certainly not the only viable pvp spec by far. Not saying it wouldn't be fine (cause again I don't know), just saying this is simply not a true statement and plenty other builds will work just as well, if not potentially better. |
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October 23, 2008, 03:20 PM
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Ansur 80 Human Warlock Karazhan Euro PvP Guild: Abnormal Ambition Talent Spec: 0/20/51 |
Re: PvP thought and comments
Yes also respectfully disagree on the need for sl\sl, I just don't enjoy it, seeing as I'm somewhat of a masochist I've been going with 0/16/45. Talent Calculator - World of Warcraft Chaos bolt is not really needed for anything else than nullifying cheat death or just to have something to do while waiting for clos to end on a netted rogue. Borders on useless. Instant seduce is huge, but yes.... you are so right on the succubus' frailty. Especially now with added burst from all classes. I'm really not impressed with any of the warlock 51 pointers besides metamorphosis, which in some cases (aura) borders on imba imo, the extra 10 talent points might be needed to make the other two work, atleast for me. The affy tree is so bloated i struggle to get spare points. |
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October 23, 2008, 03:51 PM
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Vitriola 80 Human Warlock gorgonash US PvP Guild: Knights of Avalon Profile: Blizzard Armory Talent Spec: 0/41/30 |
Re: PvP thought and comments
If I may add my $0.02... If you really want a full hybrid, Talent Calculator - World of Warcraft does that fairly well. You get all the way to shadow mastery in the affliction tree. Blizzard said that they would increase that to a 15% increase to all shadow spells not just the 10% mentioned in current talent builders. You get to soul link in the demon tree. That will be 20% as before rather than the nerfed 15%, also, according to blizzard. And last, but not least, you get two really nifty destro talents: ruin and shadowburn. Ruin makes your crits do more damage. Shadowburn is for a little burst damage. If it is not *quite* enough, there is always death coil to push them over the edge. Still, I find that I agree with others here when they lean toward committing to a full tree for best effect. The more the better. Hybrids do not seem to be as good yet. Affliction seems to be good for fighting "on the run", as 3 of the dots are instant cast. Also, it is arguably the best for fighting more than one opponent at a time. Demonology seems to make you incredibly tough to kill. I tried it and, one on one, you can do amazing things against most classes. You should know that not all classes fall fast under the demon form's wings. Warlocks will banish you. Pallies have special attacks against demons. etc. Rogues and warriors have started just running away for 30 seconds and returning to finish the job. Destro is good for burst damage. It is more centered around fighting one at a time, which may be a bit optimistic. Tolerable crowd control by way of shadowfury. Its AE stun only lasts a couple of seconds, but the refresh is half that of affliction's wonderful AE fear and it doed 1-2k damage. The burst damage potential is amazing. If you cast immolation, then you can shadowfury, conflagrate, shadowburn, even death coil. That can be 7 or 8k in 5 seconds not counting dots. |
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