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October 27, 2008, 12:06 AM
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October 27, 2008, 12:13 AM
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Risotto 80 Gnome Warlock Perenolde US PvE Profile: Blizzard Armory Talent Spec: 0/20/51 |
Re: PvP thought and comments
True, Slow is a great CC vs melee. But not vs casters/me. heh. I guess it will be different with my rogue.
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October 27, 2008, 09:13 AM
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- Ret. Paladins are severely nerfed. Even Blizzard send their apoligies with a long blue post. They will still be dangerous but not as much as today. - Mages are the second annoying class after rogues for me. I hate them blinking behind me through the end of my spell. - I can get almost all rogues in BGs now. May be they are not skilled enough. - I don't like meta. They can banish, vanish or CC. And you lost most of your 30 secs Voltran form. About arena: Yesterday we (lock/ ret.pala) had hard times against rogue/priest teams which we encountered most. After making 6-1 in first 7 games we lost the next 4 games to 3 rogue/priest and 1 warr/ret.pala Our main issue was the latency though so I could not have a clear idea about our tactic. After being kicked 2 times we made a simple tactic: pally goes to prst. I follow in close range waiting for the rogue to sap me. When rogue saps me and seduced, pally returns back to rogue and I go for the priest to CC. I use a SF or another seduce to get rid of the rogue if necessary. Then pally stuns him where he has no CD left. And I start priest with a seduce countering his healing spell. And then fear him. DC if necessary. And we both start DPS'ing rogue. Our only chance is to block the heals. So I stay between rogue and the priest not letting him get into cast range. That should work but we had an incredible lag problem where the priest running in front of me with 10% health I hit S.Burn button like crazy which is not on CD. Nothing! Then I hit SF button, and "seduce the damn rogue" button. Nothing again! Then I was dead cause the rogue has been hitting me while I was waiting in the middle and doing nothing. Game Over! If Blizzard is to nerf something. Please nerf the lag first. Warr. /ret. pala is a killer combo. My pally was dead in a few secs and they hit 8K in one combined shot to me which is what I mean by saying 3-3.5K DPS. This is not fair. Think about 2 classes that can make out 10 - 15 K damage in 10 secs together and they both immune to all kinds of CC most of this period.) If you have any reasonable tactic against this combo please advise me.
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October 27, 2008, 10:11 AM
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In general you should just wait for a good time to blow the warrior then both use shields and blow his ***. And don't wait too much, as soon as he is far of a pillar its a good time.
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October 27, 2008, 11:32 AM
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Risotto 80 Gnome Warlock Perenolde US PvE Profile: Blizzard Armory Talent Spec: 0/20/51 |
Re: PvP thought and comments
Yup, Tanakh is right. Again Shadowfury is key, if you can see your target, you should always get the first shadowfury in. This gives you first shot as well as puts you in combat so you cannot be sapped. For warrior and ret, I would go for warrior first, shadowfury them both if you can, fear the paladin, then work on the warrior, getting ready to instant seduce the paladin. I cannot stress how important aggressiveness is, especially going against double dps. You have a nice period of god mode with Divine shield on your ret friend and Divine protection on you. well..ret is getting nerfed..so may not have to deal anymore. Unfortunately, rogue priest is a lot tougher. first of all, rogues can stay in stealth so you need to get to the priest first before the sap if possible. The biggest problem with this combo is that they have very good survivability via CLOS, vanish and Pain suppression which will help them reset the fight. Also, they can outlast you, and your margin of error is relatively small. But with your CC, you should be able to burst down the rogue while CCing the priest. The odds are stacked against you, they have it much easier.
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What if what they really want is for us to herd our demons back into the void like we're doing? Because if we re-roll DKs, General, we do that, and everything that we have bled and fought and died for is over, and they've won. They've already won! |
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October 27, 2008, 12:58 PM
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Re: PvP thought and comments
Actually I always try to open with SF. But it is not possible against warrior or rogue teams. Warriors start running for a charge right in the beginning. And I don't even see where the rogue is. So I try to stay close to the priest that the SF circle covers both me and him (and the rogue on my back of course) If only they gave the stealth detection to succu instead of VW.  I will try to find the ways to stay alive until the second turn of fear and seduction after DRs. If we somehow manage this, probably all their CD's will be gone for a while and there will be enough time to CC+kill them.
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October 27, 2008, 11:11 PM
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Risotto 80 Gnome Warlock Perenolde US PvE Profile: Blizzard Armory Talent Spec: 0/20/51 |
Re: PvP thought and comments
With Instant Shadowfury, there is no reason to miss a charging warrior :-). I had to do it before with 0.5 sec cast one. (Then again, no one expected to see shadowfury, so it was always an advantage). Shadowfury range is like 40 yards as well. lol if they give succy stealth detection, she will be so OP.... I am already having thoughts that they will nerf her in some way in the future. So from now on, I am going to tell people that the succy sucks!!! gets 2 shotted, etc...lol lol. With Blessing of protection, you should fare pretty well vs melee classes. The biggest problem will be teams with resilient healers that will quickly run you and your pally friend OOM.
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What if what they really want is for us to herd our demons back into the void like we're doing? Because if we re-roll DKs, General, we do that, and everything that we have bled and fought and died for is over, and they've won. They've already won! |
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October 28, 2008, 04:24 AM
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Re: PvP thought and comments
My problem with SFury is that I want to take both of them at once  With warrirors and rogues this is not possible. Against resilient teams all we can do is kill one as quick as possible w/o getting/casting a heal. Succu is not OP. She's actually a 2-shot fragile girl. If they nerf her, then I want my paranoia back.
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October 28, 2008, 04:39 AM
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Risotto 80 Gnome Warlock Perenolde US PvE Profile: Blizzard Armory Talent Spec: 0/20/51 |
Re: PvP thought and comments
Well, sometimes you just have to hit whatever you can hit....and get the stun chain going. My sense is that with improved health funnel, she is really not as fragile as before, but I haven't really done arenas with her after 3.0.2, so I don't know how fragile she is in an arena environment.
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What if what they really want is for us to herd our demons back into the void like we're doing? Because if we re-roll DKs, General, we do that, and everything that we have bled and fought and died for is over, and they've won. They've already won! |
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