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October 22, 2008, 06:50 AM	#11 (permalink)
thorlock Character Info Khanlock 85 Orc Warlock Chromaggus US PvP Profile: Blizzard Armory Talent Tree: Affliction	re: Level 23 constantly loosing to duels... That's the way it used to be and hopefully will continue. Each class had one that owned them and one they owned.

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October 22, 2008, 06:54 AM

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hoho

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Hohounknown
80 Troll Priest
Al'Akir Euro PvP
Guild: No Danger
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re: Level 23 constantly loosing to duels...

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Originally Posted by kaikai

btw what you mean with OP and retris ??

I mean that in current patch retribution paladins can do insane damage in very short amount of time. There were a pair of them doing arenas and got from <1.5k to ~2.2k rating with less than five losses. Of course they will get nerfed somewhat so their insane power won't be as big for too long time.

Also, rogues are bad for us because most of the time when you pvp you don't use succy or felguard but those two pets are the best encounter for them, assuming you know how to use them, of course

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Rogues got owned by warrors pre-3.0, I'm not sure about the situation now.

October 22, 2008, 06:56 AM	#13 (permalink)
El Tanakh Character Info Garii 80 Tauren Druid Cho'gall US PvP Profile: Blizzard Armory	Re: Level 23 constantly loosing to duels... Speaking broadly i would say that, at the moment, the DPS PvP totem pole goes: Retribution Paladin Arms Warrior Rogue (not sure if they are using assassination or combat) Balance Druid (not for his DPS but for him being an hybrid) Frost Mage Enhancement Shaman Hunters, Warlocks and Priest are kinda left out by this patch, but Disc Priest / Retri Paladin is one of the strongest combos atm. And as i said before, warlocks have buffs incoming, and paladins nerfs. __________________ Computer games dont affect kids... If Pacman affected us as kids, we'd all be running around in darkened rooms munching magic pills and listening to repetitive electronic music

October 22, 2008, 06:57 AM	#14 (permalink)
Amanita	Re: is it just me or... It really is that bad at L70. Warlocks share bottom rung in PvP effectiveness with Shamans, and you'll be there no matter how skilled you get. I wouldn't expect Blizzard to fix that in the next couple of years. OP - OverPowered. retri - Paladins with most Talent Points in the Retribution tree. Warlocks haven't been "OverPowered" in any PvP context for a very long time. For a while (about a year ago if I remember correctly) there was a Warlock spec with good synergy with healers which worked well in Arenas, and was ok in other fights if you had a healer with you. Worth remembering: Alliance Warlocks has been severely disadvantaged by the Undead racial "Will of the Forsaken", which an amazing anti-Fear ability. Will of the Forsaken has been weakened (or will be before Wrath of the Lich King), but Alliance locks are still a good bit less effective than Horde locks in Battlegrounds. Lots of players (Warlocks and others) seem to think it's still late 2006, when Warlocks were relatively strong against most classes, but those days are gone, and they won't be back. Other important jargon: Nub - a somewhat derogatory form of "newbie". I'm sure someone will use it on me soon /lol - but trust me - for the foreseeable future, Warlock is no class for a PvPer. Last edited by Amanita; October 22, 2008 at 07:12 AM..

October 22, 2008, 06:58 AM	#15 (permalink)
kaikai Character Info skayu 1 Gnome Warlock tura-lyon Euro RP	Re: Level 23 constantly loosing to duels... ok so i just stay with my lock and get some CRAZYYY geaar and pwn some roque's and the rest is easy ;) * Information added 1 Minutes and 39 Seconds later... * hmm amanita you make me confused what to do loll

October 22, 2008, 07:04 AM

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El Tanakh

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Garii
80 Tauren Druid
Cho'gall US PvP
Profile: Blizzard Armory

Re: Level 23 constantly loosing to duels...

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Originally Posted by hoho

I mean that in current patch retribution paladins can do insane damage in very short amount of time.

That's only half of it, at the moment a warrior can sudden death you for 9k damage, but unlike a paladin, he can't heal himself by quite a lot or do a considerable damage while being invulnerable. Paladin burst it's also a bit more reliable.

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retri - Paladins with most Talent Points in the Retribution tree.

The actual OP retri pali build is 0/5/56, i know because i specced my friend's one

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October 22, 2008, 07:26 AM

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Amanita

Re: Level 23 constantly loosing to duels...

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Originally Posted by kaikai

hmm amanita you make me confused what to do loll

It depends on what you want to do, and how much time you have for WoW.

Personally I really enjoyed leveling with my locks, but my 70 was on a PvP realms, and I've regretted spending all the time getting endgame gear for PvP.

If you goal is endgame raiding, Warlock will probably be viable by the time you reach L8, so if you're enjoying the class, keep playing.

If your goal is endgame PvP, wait a little while until we understand which classes will be good at L80, and then switch (because Warlock won't be viable).

If you want to play on a PvP realm, be aware that the weaker classes get killed over and over by the stronger ones. It's boring and wastes a lot of your time. In my opinion, it's a mistake to start a 'lock on a PvP realm right now.

For reference: You spend much more time gearing up at endgame (now L70 later L80) than you do leveling to endgame level. Gearing up takes several hundred hours (at least).

This means you can (and should) start different classes, races, and factions, take then to L30 or 40, and see how they feel. After you get some experience it won't be hard to choose the one you want to take to maximum level.

A couple of closing points:

Many classes (including 'locks) play very differently at endgame than they do at lower levels. Talk to people who play the classes you like at endgame level.
There are lots of "class bigots" in WoW, who feel they must provide a positive view of their class regardless of the facts. So talk to more than one endgame player about each class
Don't trust the opinions of ayone who tells you the choice of class or race don't matter. They do - and if it turns out you've made a bad choice, you'd rather change track after 30 hours of play in that class or race than after 300.

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October 22, 2008, 07:51 AM

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El Tanakh

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Garii
80 Tauren Druid
Cho'gall US PvP
Profile: Blizzard Armory

Re: Level 23 constantly loosing to duels...

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Originally Posted by Amanita

If you goal is endgame raiding, Warlock will probably be viable by the time you reach L8, so if you're enjoying the class, keep playing.

If your goal is endgame PvP, wait a little while until we understand which classes will be good at L80, and then switch (because Warlock won't be viable).

Agree, but unless Blizzard does some big changes, something that they rarely do, melee will still be better for PvP at 80, from that you can pic your flavor, personally i like rogues and to a lesser extent paladins.

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Originally Posted by Amanita

For reference: You send much more time gearing up at endmage (now L70 later L80) than you do leveling to endgame level. Gearing up takes several hundred hours (at least).

Agree with the much more time, but ever since they started giving badges at Kara and S1 gear for honor having a good DPSer or healer is very easy and fast. It will naturally change at 80 of course.

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Originally Posted by Amanita

Don't trust the opinions of ayone who tells you the choice of class or race don't matter. They do - and if it turns out you've made a bad choice, you'd rather change track after 30 hours of play in that class or race than after 300.

So freaking true, everyone but the best players can't overcome class natural limitations, after being during S4 with a holy paladin and leveling a druid to learn the class i can say that the disparity is just abismal. Of course, even in the worst class you will be able to kill newbies, melee that keybord turns, people with poor HP pool and such.

For race, it depends on the choices available, for example even if Taurens made better warriors, UD and Orc were good enough not to have to reroll; i would risk to say most of the races are balanced, with the current exeption of NE, having vanish as one of your race skills is stupid.

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