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October 31, 2008, 12:18 PM
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locks might not be broken but....
.......I just feel less than. Less than what? most everything. Wall of text follows. 13,700 hp, 1230 SD, 474 res, S2-S3 gear UA/SL could tweak spec but close enough. Not the next drakedog but i've killed some peeps over the years. Don't get me wrong i still can do some damage in BG's. Leave me alone or i find a place to hide like in AV and i can get up near the top in damage still. Get somebody who is lost or undergeared no problem. Last night I was running lots of WSG. I was getting destroyed by so many other classes I just came out shaking my head. Not killed, that happens i mean destroyed, where you might be able to get a few instants off and you're in the dirt. Everything has so much burst damage now it's scary. I had to laugh watching most of them run from a single pally, but come straight for me from across the field. I don't even have a chance to load them up and know they will at least die too. Melee i'm warm butter on a plate. Ret pally , yeah everyone knows. No more paranoia so rogues and bumped up druid dps is painful, "oh excuse me i have the wrong pet out can you wait a sec? mage wait in line so i can switch back and i burned FD so it's going to be a bit" . Spellcasters so much instant, hard to get a good spell lock in. SP get the jump on me, no problem i'll just wipe everything with my spellstone and....oh wait, i needed to save money on wizard oil. About the only thing that was a plus over SL/SL is UA makes priests easier and have a panic affect. But if it's not instant and thrown on the run so even quick casts are hard to get off and open for a silence lock out. So much can wipe off dot's and counter fear. So, respec? I actually felt bad when a demo lock came in the flag room and popped meta, and i bannished him over and over. Destruction? might be the answer, haven't tried that yet. Be interesting to see if the succy can survive long enough to be effective. Is it that people have access to 51pt talents and we are still 70? Shouldn't be the 70 level spells should dps as such. At level 80 will we have HP high enough to survive some hits and crits like we could before? Will there be gear suited for locks need for stamina that another spellcaster won't take and match our HP? That was our only advantage over not having an escape, take it like a man lock. Will demonic circle solve this? I hope, but kind of doubt it unless it can be used will stunned/CC'ed, and i'd kiss a developers *** if it wiped debuffs like iceblock (including poison) and make me say what was a spellstone again? but i know it probably won't happen. I came away wondering what we are the anti-class to. Not able to kill, as i still killed everyclass if things worked right or the stunk. Classes that we can control the fight from start to finish like rogues can to us, destroy them with barely a scratch. I looked around and found one....other warlocks. If i got the jump on them and a good fear cycle. So apparently in the game of balance mushroom beats mushroom. Sorry for rant, i love my lock, will continue to play. My hope is that things even out and everyone survives long enough to use talents and skills. I used to love having epic battles back and forth were it takes awhile to bring each other down. I dont' wan't to be OP, I just hope at 80 we are closer to equal to not less than. |
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November 01, 2008, 01:36 AM
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Re: locks might not be broken but....
Great post. I'm trying to stay optomisitc, but it's getting tougher and tougher. You brought up a great point... who are the the anti-class to? I'd love to hear Blizzard's answer to that one. |
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November 01, 2008, 02:04 AM
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Re: locks might not be broken but....
Well we used to be the anti-mage, but check out the thread on the new mage armor spell and you'll see that this is no longer the case. Like I say in there, where is our #$%& you button?
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November 01, 2008, 09:03 AM
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Katt 70 Human Warlock Greymane US PvE Guild: Council of Nine Profile: Blizzard Armory |
Re: locks might not be broken but....
I've never been good at PVP on my lock, heck, on any toon, but crap, i could stay alive! Now, forget it, I can't, at all. My resilience is like a joke (on my lock AND priest, who is nearly capped!) I hate the lock changes (sorry, I loved being spambolt spec) and thought I'd bear with them by just being a PVP spec, but even using meta, a rogue owns me inside of 5-10 seconds. If I can get away from WW, I can get a couple dots on a warrior, anything else...I'm dead, except another lock, and then due to my lack of skill, they usually win the battle. On my priest, I've never been able to take down any casters but mages, now boomkins and locks are fair game (disc), but I can't touch a mage before they slaughter me (and that's with trying to shield and heal, 460 resil and 13k hp). Been demo for today (pretty much first time ever), and besides a heck of a lot of fun having my VW tank some dungeons, it's not the spec for me, as I'm not good with pet management. Anyway, I just wanted to toss my cry out there, I hate Blizzard with a passion for this patch and the nerfs we got in it. 
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November 01, 2008, 09:21 AM
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Re: locks might not be broken but....
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Im with ya all the way bro. Far as i see enless we get shadow weaving back and Fix ISB back to normal warlocks are screwed till 80 and they see o wait what did we do wrong. Atm my highest hitter is Soulfire for 8k but till shards are STACKABLE in lots of 20 in a 32 slot bag its not effective or sastainable dps due to lack of shards! |
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November 01, 2008, 10:10 AM
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Vaell 80 Blood Elf Warlock Scarshield Legion Euro RP PvP Guild: The Final Contingency Profile: Blizzard Armory Talent Spec: 0/41/30 |
Re: locks might not be broken but....
madvlad, like you, pre patch I was SL/SL and loved it. I had 13.5k HP 490 Resilience and 1100 spell damage and had a lot of fun with the spec. I'd melee warriors instead of kite them with a few dots on and just run through them stabbing them.  I defended that spec to the hilt when people said it was boring, because in my mind at least, being able to melee warriors (among other things) was a heap of fun. When the patch hit I went through about 5 specs, from UA/SL, Haunt, Meta variations until I settled on 0/14/47. Up til that point I was very disillusioned with warlocks and felt them to be totally broken but now I have a very different opinion. Yesterday, after a week or so of being used to Destro I decided to leave most of my PvP gear in my bag and wear the Blessed Regalia of Undead Cleansing which as you might know has ZERO resilience on it, but comparatively lots of intellect, haste and spirit. So, down to 10khp and 198 Resilience but having 188 haste turned out to be pretty smart. In a 20 minute match of even numbers I'd gotten 45 HKs (top) 16 KBs (top) and was 3rd in damage done, only dying 6 times. The old warlocks are dead. It's a new era now. Dots are probably too slow for PvP at 70 with all the burst around though some people can probably make it work. I tried and failed. At 80, who knows? Perhaps Affliction will seem better for PvP but for now I answer burst damage with my own burst damage and am optimistic for Warlocks in the expansion. |
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November 01, 2008, 08:06 PM
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Norser 80 Undead Warlock Earthen Ring US RP Guild: Alea Iacta Est Profile: Blizzard Armory |
Re: locks might not be broken but....
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However, I'm starting to see smarter players go straight after my succy before even thinking of engaging me. This is a worring trend as in this burst happy enviornment succy just can't survive. We'll I'm looking forward to what level 80 will bring us. |
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November 01, 2008, 11:40 PM
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RomaGoth 80 Human Warlock Durotan US PvE Profile: Blizzard Armory Talent Spec: 30/41/0 |
Re: locks might not be broken but....
/sigh I completely feel the same way as most other locks at this point. Romagoth became my main after a year of playing my first toon, a hunter. I loved everything about my warlock: the demon pets, the shadow damage, the Dreadsteed, even the look of him in epic gear. Since the patch and going forward, I am not sure if he will be a toon I even play any more. How sad is that? Battlegrounds are a complete joke, I thought I died fast before 3.0.2. It is a very dark day for our class right now. I am not normally one to cry QQ, but I am not at all liking the changes being made. I lost on some rolls for gear to a druid and a mage last week and it made me really sit back and wonder about my warlock's future. I have 3 level 70's, and am working on a mage and pally. I may not even play the game long enough to see how they are at max level. I sure hope Blizzard makes the right changes and allows warlocks to be a viable class again, but right now I am not very optimistic about that. 
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November 02, 2008, 04:32 AM
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Morkar 71 Undead Warlock Steamwheedle Cartel US RP PvE Guild: Dread Legion Talent Spec: 0/3/59 |
Re: locks might not be broken but....
GC [in the "damage dealing" forums]: Warlocks were designed to have high dps while Shadow priests were designed to have much lower dps. They were a utility class that paid in dps in order to justify their amazing group benefits. With the buff overhaul, we improved Shadow's dps significantly. (We also dropped lock survivability in PvP too.) http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=12065201234&pageNo=3&sid=1#47 [Edited for clarity] |
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November 02, 2008, 05:50 AM
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horopo 70 Undead Warlock muradin US PvE Profile: Blizzard Armory Talent Spec: 0/40/31 |
Re: locks might not be broken but....
I ALSO went destro and I am LOVING it! Try it out. You have more control and you can kill people faster. The only problem with the spec is running out of mana! <3 |
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