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November 12, 2008, 01:36 PM
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Vitriola 80 Human Warlock gorgonash US PvP Guild: Knights of Avalon Profile: Blizzard Armory Talent Spec: 0/41/30 |
what is the warlock's approach to PVP?
What do the devs think of when they plan for warlock pvp? On my rogue, I open with a stun, beat them a few times for combo points, then restun when they are about to come out of it. If they look scary and I am out of stuns, I vanish, then come back and do it all again. I might cast my instant (preparation) and stun them all over again. Almost every caster will be dead by then.  On my mage I just blasted them before they got me. Freeze the melee and dance off blasting all the way. With casters, the arcane attacks interrupt a lot so they die fairly fast.  Warrior, charge with a 3 second stun, hamstring me so I cannot move faster than a stroke patient with a wobbly walker, intercept with another 3 second stun. With their dps, I die in about 7-10 seconds even with 13k health. Warrior pvp requires little thinking.  etc. What I want to know is what the devs envision concering warlock pvp? They made several classes able to shrug off dots like water off a duck's back. It seems like every third guy I fight is immune to fear. With the amount of damage mitigation, I have put a full spread of dots on a flag carrier, including UA and haunt, and KEPT it going for 2 refreshes and not see the health bar move and no healers in sight. Even though my dps does not measuer up to what people are claiming here, I show respectable damage done in raids, BGs and instances. If nothing else, I am a big fish in a little pond, but I hold my own. What do they, and we for that matter, really see as our general approach to pvp against that? Every other class seems to have a clear path but ours. I am not saying that the warlock is unplayable or even that is it not fun. I am just wondering why the pvp path seems so murky. 
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November 12, 2008, 02:33 PM
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Infernally 70 Gnome Warlock Alexstrasza US PvE Guild: Dragon Army Profile: Blizzard Armory Talent Spec: 56/0/5 |
Re: what is the warlock's approach to PVP?
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As far as your overall question, I don't think Blizz really plans for pvp. It's left up to us to figure out our viable pvp stratagies. My current strategy is based around Fear. Yes, there are some immunities and trinkets that can reduce it's effectiveness at times, but overall it's working pretty well for me especially talented and glyphed. Deathcoil -> Fear -> Haunt -> UA -> <Enemy Trinket> Fear -> Corr -> Curse of Agony -> SL -> DL
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November 12, 2008, 02:41 PM
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Lessic 80 Undead Warlock Darkspear US PvP Guild: Tarren Mill Deathguard Profile: Blizzard Armory Talent Spec: 56/0/15 |
Re: what is the warlock's approach to PVP?
Wait till mage's get the next mage armor at 71, it'll reduce periodic damage by 50% so your dots will do half damage on a mage. |
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November 12, 2008, 03:03 PM
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Re: what is the warlock's approach to PVP?
In Arena the other day my team (not very high rating under 1400) won 7 of 12 games. I was in Demon Form and start off with a charge and then hellfire at least 75% of the time the individual was at least 85% dead or dead already. I was grouped with a ret paladin that does insane damage with only about 6 epics. The only time we lost was against a shaman with the 2 spirit hounds out that literally eat people alive and against rogues that seem to be able to vanish 3 times now. However if you stand with your back against a wall so they cant backstab you have a fighting chance if your trinket is up or your new human ability. |
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November 12, 2008, 03:20 PM
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Vitriola 80 Human Warlock gorgonash US PvP Guild: Knights of Avalon Profile: Blizzard Armory Talent Spec: 0/41/30 |
Re: what is the warlock's approach to PVP?
Don't get me wrong, I have been up at the lumber mill and cast the instant dots on people as they ran up and they were under half health from just that. It was that flag carrier that got to me. I did not detect any healers but he certainly had LOTS of buffs and he may have had potions or heals over time still chugging. Warriors can be tough but, if I am owned by a rogue, I look to see how many friends he had with him, then, if he was alone, look him up in wowarmory to find out why. Against rogues of equal gear I am a little better off than 50-50. Still, the approach to pvp is not as clear cut as with other classes. So, I was wondering. |
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November 12, 2008, 03:28 PM
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Devoid 80 Gnome Warlock Antonidas US PvE Guild: No Drama Profile: Blizzard Armory Talent Spec: 0/13/58 |
Re: what is the warlock's approach to PVP?
I'm an Affliction warlock and I was grinding honor for the Merciless Spellblade. I did not want to go Demo especially after I banished a warlock in Meta (LOL!). We all know how squishy we are now in PVP, but I found a GREAT way to jump to the top of the ratings in AV. Make a macro that let's you spam your insta-DoTs and hover near a large battle (think DEFENSE in AV). Start running around randomly staying near the battle and hit tab till you focus on an enemy. Drop your DoTs, you don't have to be facing him and you can still run because they are your insta-DoTs. Keep running around and hit tab and until you reach another enemy, lather, rinse, repeat and watch the HKs float up. In the big drawn out turtle AVs, I'll be at the top of the list. If not #1 then at least the top 5 (sometimes you don't get the big pitched battels for this to be effective). The first time I tried this, I got the acheivment "Damage Control" which is causing 300k in damage in a BG. I regularly do 250-500k overall damage in AVs depending on how long the AV lasts. It's not a magic bullet and you'll always get targeted by someone and have to DC/Fear chain if possible, so prepare for that. One trick of mine is to focus one a running player and then run WITH him while instant DoTing. Because you aren't facing him, he probably will think you aren't casting on him. Affliction takes time, that's why a stand and fight tactic is tough because you need alot of burst to down people before they stomp your face in. BUT as an Aff Warlock, your DoTs burn people down. Also, a couple of things that many Warlocks DON'T do in BGs which they should: 1.) Banish demons, Felgaurds, Felhunters, Meta Warlocks. One note: if you'r banishing, make sure he's NOT at low health and about to get burned down by your side. That's a waste and always be aware that your side will be a little confused once the demon is banish'd, at least for a few seconds. 2.) Put your Shadow Ward up when you've got a warlock beating on you. I've killed so many warlocks with my DoTs and they are one of the few with defenses against Shadow damage.. Last edited by TheOccult; November 12, 2008 at 08:04 PM.. Reason: Wrong wording! |
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November 12, 2008, 03:52 PM
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Re: what is the warlock's approach to PVP?
[/quote]Also, a couple of things that many Warlocks DON'T do in BGs which they should: 1.) Banish demons, Felgaurds, Felhunters, Meta Warlocks. One note: if you'r banishing, make sure he's NOT at low health and about to get burned down by your side. That's a waste and always be aware that your side will be a little confused once the demon is banish'd, at least for a few seconds. 2.) Put your Shadow shield up when you've got a warlock beating on you. I've killed so many warlocks with my DoTs and they had a one of the few defenses against me.[/quote] I love affliction and wish I had more patience to learn how to use it effectively in pvp. Which is why I go demon. I do banish however there is a in game resist for other player demons and banish which is they resist more against other players. I have experienced this before the felguard resisted and then rushed me. I still got away because the lock was focused on something else got a second banish off and it resisted again or it would banish but only stay banished for 10 seconds. However I love Shadow shield its an absolute must against another lock in pvp. |
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November 12, 2008, 04:00 PM
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Infernally 70 Gnome Warlock Alexstrasza US PvE Guild: Dragon Army Profile: Blizzard Armory Talent Spec: 56/0/5 |
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WARLOCK BASICS: Hello, you're EVIL! Bask in your malevolent glory. You are a bona fide villain from the depths of hell and it is your duty to behave like one. You're not just bad. You are EVIL. Act accordingly! |
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November 12, 2008, 04:06 PM
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Re: what is the warlock's approach to PVP?
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Last edited by Slianistra; November 12, 2008 at 04:32 PM.. |
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November 12, 2008, 05:28 PM
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Devoid 80 Gnome Warlock Antonidas US PvE Guild: No Drama Profile: Blizzard Armory Talent Spec: 0/13/58 |
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