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December 14, 2008, 09:15 PM
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Zragoll 80 Blood Elf Warlock Dreadmaul Oceania PvP Guild: Fluffy Bunny Brigade Profile: Blizzard Armory Talent Spec: 62/8/0 |
PvP Warlock vs DK
As DK's are relatively new and other classes are well and truly known to most of us. Us locks know how to handle each and every one of those classes, I thought it might be nice to have some sort of idea of A) what to expect and B) a plan of attack. First things first, DKs are both melee and spell oriented, treat them as a shammy or pally, that is, keep your distance at all times and deal with the incoming spells. However, some DKs are intent on Melee, I've encountered quite a few that don't want to spell a Lock to death, so, if you encounter one of those, try these techniques: Death Grip: Most people know what Death Grip is by now, and if you don't, its the Kano Style (Mortal Kombat Reference) yanking the player over to the DK in one fowl swoop. I've seen this used in 2 ways now. The first is the obvious, that is, lets start the fight, you find yourself yanked into a PvP fight. It leaves you in no doubt that the player really wants you dead and they've initiated the combat. The other method is used as a utility, to stop kiting and more importantly for us locks, is to reduce the distance between us and the DK. To counter this my suggestion is, to Death Coil or Howl of Terror DK's that use this. This will give you time to maximise your distance, because cloth vs melee class is not pretty. Counter with Fear and then start the dots. Death and Decay: This spell has one of the coolest effects imo, when used you see a grey circle with skeleton arms reaching out of the ground, looks really cool. However if you're being attacked by the DK and standing in it, you're copping DoT. Simply, move outside of it. Chances are, if you get out of the Death Grip, you won't be anywhere near the DK. Corpse Explosion: You need to be weary of this, especially if you are on a PvP server or in BG's. They can make a nearby corpse explode and cause you damage, this could be bad if you're raiding a city as well. Basically its an AoE effect that uses a nearby corpse to cause damage, this is instant and has no cooldown, they can do this all day. Killing a DK: If you're successful at killing a DK, your job isn't over. They come back as ghouls instantly with full health and runic power. However, the fight changes, they have different spells and abilities. They can gnaw on you, which is just a melee attack, they can "huddle" which basically means they stop fighting while they regain mana. But worst of all, they can explode themselves and inflict damage. At the moment the damage caused is low, however Big Blue have indicated they will up the damage caused by this. This is important, don't life tap away your health, especially when faced with this scenario, monitor your health and keep it up at all times. These are just some things I've discovered, there might be others out there with differing views or other abilities to be wary of, but thought I'd start the discussion off with the bread and butter attacks that we as Locks can easily deal with.
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December 14, 2008, 09:59 PM
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Re: PvP Warlock vs DK
DKs are so overpowered. It's sort of funny. Nearly impossible to kill. They create a big pile of dead bodies wherever they go. You fight them. They blow you up with the same dead bodies, or silence you to their heart's content. You delude yourself into thinking you've killed a Deathknight??? Ha! They come back, hungry for your brains!!!  That said I've had some luck with Deathknights but I think that's largely because the ones I fought didn't know how to deal with a Destro Lock. The main idea: stay far away from the Deathknight. And kill him really, really fast. I'll probably Seduce or Shadowfury immediately if they initiate the attack, and then Curse of Elements, Fear, Corrupt and then melt them. I haven't been using Shadowfury + Howl, a combo which might prove useful if it reliably fears the pet (the speaking pet is too cool). If I'm using fear and/or dotting I will occasionally throw in a Seduction while they aren't feared or stunned, in order to interrupt spells or otherwise throw them off balance. I'm really quite jealous of the Deathknights. "me buy and sell"  "me like.....shiny" |
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December 14, 2008, 10:17 PM
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Re: PvP Warlock vs DK
wow The fights you described go a bit different for me. "Dk's Something Silences you forever" "DK's Bloodstrike hits you for 11000k" "DK's Melee swing hits you for 6000k" "You Die" |
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December 15, 2008, 12:12 AM
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Gallrock 80 Orc Warlock Galakrond US PvE PvP Guild: Born of Ashes Profile: Blizzard Armory Talent Spec: 0/13/58 |
Re: PvP Warlock vs DK
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Might just be my luck, but all the DKs I've dueled have been roflepwned. I never take beating a DK seriously though, poor buggers havn't had nearly as much tiem with their class as I have. That and I seem to always come across the stereotypical terrible DK players. I anticipate the silence, so try to get as much instant cxast dots off as possible. Then run, run away, run around, run behind them, anywhere out of melee range. Get off a Deathcoil/fear, load up on dots, drain back the life you lost if your SL/SL, win |
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December 15, 2008, 12:41 AM
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Malevevely 70 Undead Warlock KJ US PvP |
Re: PvP Warlock vs DK
I could not imagine trying to kill my DK on a caster, with AM for damage mitigation, runetap(every 30 sec) for heals along with the massive healing blood DKs get anyways from other abilities dots could not take him down at all. With chains, death grip and stragulation and interrupts he is stupidly hard to kite as well. I imagine that without all the passive healing frost or unholy DKs might be easier but a blood DK is the new lock/mage/priestbane imo. Especially with the BE racial and talents magic damage is pitiful. |
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December 15, 2008, 12:47 AM
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Mollytov 80 Tauren Death Knight Aggramar US PvE Profile: Blizzard Armory Talent Spec: 17/0/54 |
Re: PvP Warlock vs DK
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Desecration
If your casting fear at me, I'm gonna know it, and pop Lichborne, which makes me a bit immune to fear. that gives me 15 seconds to kill you. PLENTY of time.hell i'll let you blow Death Coil on me, that's one fear you've wasted. THEN i'll pop Lichborne. Buh bye lock. Also, You have to spec 15 points into unholy to come back as a zombie, And if i'm specing that deep, i'm gonna go for master of ghouls, and get the ghoul pet. Go ahead spell lock me. i'll still wail on you. Dead lock. We're not overpowered in pvp, we're pretty well balanced. If you know your way around us, you'll kill us. but for the most part, plate agaisnt cloth =death of cloth for the most part. |
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December 15, 2008, 04:32 AM
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Lessic 80 Undead Warlock Darkspear US PvP Guild: Tarren Mill Deathguard Profile: Blizzard Armory Talent Spec: 56/0/15 |
Re: PvP Warlock vs DK
My recommendation is keep them as far away as you can and nuke them hard... doesn't sound like much but if they get you in close you're in real trouble, save your deathcoil for when they use death grip, it's a one shot deal too cause after that you only have a short time before their death grip's CD is over. |
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December 15, 2008, 06:55 AM
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Re: PvP Warlock vs DK
It's rare that I can even get a spell off with the DK and his pet (seems they're all the spec with the perma-pet on my server) wailing on me. It's like a rogue...once the fight starts I go make a sandwich and wait for the corpse run. |
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December 15, 2008, 09:11 AM
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Illeandrys 80 Blood Elf Warlock Frostmourne Oceania PvP Guild: Loot the Core Hound Profile: Blizzard Armory Talent Spec: 0/40/31 |
Re: PvP Warlock vs DK
It's not THAT hard to kill a DK. They did get a buff when they needed a big fat nerf though. If you can keep your distance, you're in good shape. At range, you need to be aware of when he pops his Anti-Magic Shell, as the damage number popping up will suddenly start losing their last digit. AMS looks like the shield that the wolf-men in SFK use. It's two translucent green semicircles. Unfortunately, while DKs are an easy class to kite, skilled ones will save Death Grip for when you do try to kite them and pull you in. If you do end up toe to toe with a DK, which is often the case if you're not expecting a Death Grip, you still have a chance. First of all, they will probably put Chains of Ice on you. This reduces your movement speed to 0 and slowly returns it. However, it is dispellable by a Felhunter, or if your circle is near you can blink away. Second, they will almost definitely silence you with Strangulate and/or Mind Freeze. You need to try to live through the silence by running through/around him, assuming you dispelled chains of ice. Third, Lichborne is NOT Will of the Forsaken or a trinket, in that it does not dispel Fear/Charm/Sleep. It makes the DK immune to them, so try to get an instant Fear spell (HoT or DC) or Seduce off asap if he hasn't used it. If you're using a Succubus, you're probably destro, and not able to Felhunter dispel, so burn him down right away, saving Shadowfury for if/when he trinkets/Will of the Forsaken and pops Lichborne. If you get lucky with crits, you can completely lock him down with the destro chain and get away relatively unscathed. If you're aff, gain distance and throw dots backwards. If you took imp. Fear or have a run speed enchant/meta/rocket boots, you'll be able to kite him normally again. If you see his health dipping and you have some distance, start nuking him to put him down and wait for him to turn into a ghoul. In my experience in BGs, they like to explode once they come back, so keep your distance. Hope that helps! I have little experience with meta builds, but they might be the way to go to fight DKs. |
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December 15, 2008, 09:43 AM
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Mclore 80 Undead Warlock sylvanas Euro PvP Guild: Noir Profile: Blizzard Armory Talent Spec: 54/17/0 |
Re: PvP Warlock vs DK
As with any melee, being meta spec helps a lot. This does not mean I can always kill them, sometimes they own me, but from what I can tell I have around 70% success rate against them, this is not that bad. When the Death Grip comes I go meta with immolation aura and unload shadowflame and shadowburn, put in a little shadow cleave just for the fun of it too, make sure my Corr and Curse of Agony are on the DK all the time. Then I try to cast an immolate up close, if it works ok, if not don’t matter, shadowflame and burn are up again so I punch them. Felguard keeps hitting them and I have DC ready for when demon form wares out. At first I was very frustrated fighting them because of the constant spell interrupts and silences, but after a while I got more used to them. Currently, to say the truth, retri palas are worse then DKs for me. Being meta, melee is definitely not your first concern, ofc… any very well played melee can still kill you, even good protection warriors seem surprisingly hard to beat. But all in all, melee can never even get close to the way arcane mages can kill you as meta. Arcane mages are my absolute bane, a lot more then rogues where before Wrath of the Lich King. With rogues I still had a 50% chance, but arcane mages now kill me 10 out of 10 times. Same in BGs, I don’t remember dying too much to a DK in BG, retri palas sure killed me a couple of times and arcane mages absolutely owned me every time. |
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