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May 12, 2009, 11:44 AM
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Ramzes 26 Undead Warlock Stormreaver US PvP |
Re: Alright...enough with the DK's
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You're probably running against a frost dk in frost presence. Depending on whether or not he has unbreakable armor turned on could definitely be ridiculously hard to kill with all that armor. Frost Presence The death knight takes on the presence of frost, increasing total health by 10%, armor contribution from items by 60%, and reducing spell damage taken by 5%. Increases threat generated. Only one Presence may be active at a time. plus being spec'd in frost will allow him even more armor buffs. 30K health? he definitely has to be chanted up the wazoo. I have a dps dk with about 24k health and no enchants and I do in fact have a lot of trouble with locks. Why do you think I made one? 
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May 12, 2009, 12:03 PM
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Darksumoner 80 Human Warlock Tanaris US PvE Guild: Samsara Profile: Blizzard Armory Talent Spec: 0/13/58 |
Re: Alright...enough with the DK's
If the dk is healing for more then you can take off him hes Blood Period. A good Blood tanking spec does great in PvP because you have so much health and so many ways to heal yourself. As a blood DK unbuffed my health sits at 30k I can easily Tap for 7k Heals every 30seconds and also use a couple longer CDs to get my health near 40k This is with out Buffs mind you. Not to mention as a blood Dk one of my Main Abilities is Deathstrike that Heals me as well for around 5kish everytime I use it and I han use it often. Now granted I do lose in PvP as much as I win but Im a newb in PvP I dont do it often and have never really gotten into it. My guild is headed the PvP route more and more and I dont know if I will follow them down that route. With the newbish pvper in mind I can see why Newb DKS can roll through most unskilled opponents but people with a good amount of skill and knowledge should be able to roll through DKs.
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May 12, 2009, 04:10 PM
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Holdwine 80 Gnome Warlock Sentinels US RP Guild: Blades of Light Profile: Blizzard Armory Talent Spec: 0/13/58 |
Re: Alright...enough with the DK's
If it gives you all any comfort, my 73 Orc DK got smacked down by a 71 Human warlock the other day while questing in Borean Tundra. I didn't get his name to look him up on the Armory, so not sure of his spec, but he had the Felguard. In my defense, he was in PvP gear (or at least the old Demon-head PvP headpiece from pre-Wrath) and I was just in starter zone Northrend quest greens and blues. Ordinarily, I would never mention being humiliated in PvP, but I think it's worthwhile to point out that not every DK can "faceroll" the keyboard and beat a good Warlock. Nor are DK's easy mode in PvE, either. It took me quite awhile to get a handle on the Rune system and figure out cast/attack sequences that didn't put essential abilities on cooldown when I most needed them. I have only dabbled in PvP with my DK, but I imagine the same is true: if your Frost runes are on cooldown, you can't interrupt a spell cast with Mind Freeze. If you don't have an Unholy Rune or Death Rune available, you can't Death Strike and heal yourself. Anti-Magic Shell consumes a lot of Runic power that could be used for a Gargoyle or Death Coil. Point being, as with any class there are cooldowns, limitations to abilities, and attack sequences that work and attack sequences that don't work. DK's have to learn these, same as a Warlock. By the way, I am proud to say I did not immediately Death Grip the Warlock at the start of the engagement. Fat lot of good it did me. He followed advice posted here in this forum and basically kited me to death with Fear and DoTs while his FG beat the crap out of me. I was able to close to melee range a few times, once by using my ghoul's Leap and Gnaw to stun him, and finally using Death Grip once, but I couldn't do enough damage to him to overcome the damage he was doing to me. |
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July 03, 2009, 01:38 PM
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Locanator 64 Blood Elf Warlock Defials Brotherhood Euro RP PvP |
Re: Alright...enough with the DK's
DKs can be quite hard but if you play right sometimes beatable. I'm just leveling up through the 60s i'm demon and have a fair amount of stam stacked, a DK challenged me to a dual the other day so i put my Felguard to the left of me (so if he DG me my pet could intercept and same with the ice thing). He started off the the ice thing and began to run towards me so i intercepted DoTed him up and feared and shadow bolted, he trinketed out and pulled me to him so i DC then feared and shadow bolted he was low health so i just meta then charged him and voila dead. Then all he did was complain "lol fear spam n00b" so i had to calmly explain that i had only feared him twice (and one horror) and that it is one of our very few ways of surviving. He wasn't having any of it in his own little world then started having ago at the "nub" meta ability. Why do warlocks get this every time about fear? it's not like i sit there DoTing them up and chain fearing, even if i did you do whatever you can to win. I don't get it on my mage about the many many ways of slowing, stopping, shielding, blocking, stunning, blinking away, sheeping and more. So why all the moaning? |
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July 03, 2009, 04:17 PM
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Lephlock 80 Blood Elf Warlock Earthen Ring US RP Guild: Team Awesome Talent Spec: 0/55/16 |
Re: Alright...enough with the DK's
I suppose when Rogues kill that guy he just says "lol stun spam n00b". I think some people will whine and complain whenever they get beaten, as they assume the answer is anything other than the fact that they suck. Me, when I die, I'm pretty sure it's because I suck. :D
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July 03, 2009, 04:47 PM
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quintos 80 Human Warlock aggramar Euro PvE Guild: angels of honour Talent Spec: 0/41/30 |
Re: Alright...enough with the DK's
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July 14, 2009, 07:24 AM
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Re: Alright...enough with the DK's
Personally I dont have a problem with them, especially if you start the fight. I saw one running towards me, and cast Domonic Enpowerment as soon as i cast corruption my fg charged him and stunned so i used this stun to cast immolate, then Curse of Agony while my fg was hammering into him by this tim he was at like half health already, so metad' charged then used that to let me get a cheeky shadow bolt in, But there is nothing more anoying than when miding your own business you get death gripped, straight away DoT and death coil yourself then immolateif your at low health run away and let your dots do there work, Its even more fun to meta the just keep running behind him while cleaving  so when hes trying to attack all he see's is " target must be infront of you"I am in no way an experienced player but after making several level 80's the lock is deffinately the most fun except when fighting rogues or palis (who does like fighting palis though) Meta Spec FTW! |
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July 14, 2009, 08:08 AM
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Re: Alright...enough with the DK's
Like some people said if hes healing more then you are hitting him for (blood specs have quite a few ways of healing) your gonna find it hard. Im a heavy destro spec and im just an average pvp player so im not a hardcore with pvp , and I still win most of the fights against DKs They cant heal through all of that burst damage so fast, especially if I get a 10kcrit with conflag or over A few weeks ago I was doing the dailys in Icecrown, I was killing vyrkuls and was pvp tagged and had about 70% hp, after I pulled 2 mobs this DK death gripped me and I still managed to kill him and the mobs and still had about 50% hp left Oh please note he actually came back for more and died everytime stupid DKs Last edited by Alsaladin; July 14, 2009 at 08:15 AM.. |
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July 14, 2009, 07:10 PM
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Khalidah 80 Human Warlock Al'Akir Euro PvP Guild: Enlightenment Profile: Blizzard Armory |
Re: Alright...enough with the DK's
I'm running with a heavy Affliction PvP and I have to say I find DKs pretty easy to kill most of the time. Wack on some DOTs, let of a Howl of Terror and then keep Fearing their arses. Make sure you get some distance when you can. Imba tactic on any DK fight is to drop your Demonic Circle as your first spell in the fight. When they do that Death Grip BS it's always very funny to teleport straight back to where you came from. Likely the DK will be confused enough to give you the edge. |
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