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Old June 01, 2009, 04:23 PM   #11 (permalink)

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Anij
70 Human Warlock
Anvilmar US PvE
Guild: unguilded
Talent Spec: 0/21/40
Re: PvP Stats rating for Warlocks

IF your a destro spec crit should have a much higher value. Figure it to be about the same or slightly less than spell power.
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Old June 02, 2009, 01:20 PM   #12 (permalink)

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Malasada
80 Undead Warlock
Trollbane US PvE
Guild: Tribute

3.1 Re: PvP Stats rating for Warlocks

At the moment I'm at zero spell penetration (810 resilience, ~1700 spell power unbuffed, 4.5% hit and 16.9% crit, 150 haste) -- wondering how you all would prioritize adding some spell pen vs. losing roughly an equal amount of spellpower + crit (in aggregate). For example, I was contemplating using the S4 offhand and wand vs. my PVE pieces to get a bit of penetration (~60) at the expense of crit (~25 I think) and spellpower (~40 loss), at least until I (hopefully) get enough rating to upgrade. That switch would also add about 37 resilience so I could regem to make up for some of the spellpower/crit loss. Or is this switch not worthwhile unless I can get fully to 130-140?

And somewhat related (since I'd need to switch this to get to 130-140), but the +35 spell penetration enchant vs. lightweave? The Lightweave seems to proc pretty often (and it's a nice proc) so is that better to use if you can gem for spell pen instead or is the +35 spell pen cloak enchant GENERALLY the best thing to use if you're not at the 130-140 level already?

@ Crescendo -- interesting observations. I was also thinking of dropping my +resilience medallion and trinket (Flow of Knowledge) for two +spellpower trinkets (one being the medallion replacement) which would drop my resilience into the 600s unless I regeared a bit, but that would be a huge upgrade to spellpower.

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Old June 09, 2009, 02:42 AM   #13 (permalink)

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Kryptix
70 Gnome Warlock
Kael'thas US PvE
Guild: Entente of Heroes
Profile: Blizzard Armory
Talent Spec: 0/56/15
Re: PvP Stats rating for Warlocks

I just want to mention that the hit cap for PvP is 4%. So if you spec suppression that is 3% right there and another 1% could be coming from your draenei parter if you are lucky enough to have one. 4% is NOT hard to get, especially if your not high enough to get the arena weaps/OHs, and you are stuck using your PvE ones with some hit on em...

1% ~= 26 hit rating
2% ~= 52 hit rating
3% ~= 79 hit rating
4% ~= 105 hit rating

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Old June 09, 2009, 04:41 AM   #14 (permalink)

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Andrčas
80 Blood Elf Warlock
Magtheridon US PvP
Guild: Unity
Profile: Blizzard Armory
Talent Spec: 0/13/58
3.1 Re: PvP Stats rating for Warlocks

Blood elves have a 2% chance to be missed by magic in general, undead and draenei has a 2% chance to not be hit by shadow spells. For this reason you want 6% hit for pvp.
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Old June 09, 2009, 05:10 AM   #15 (permalink)

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Zeroneo
80 Undead Warlock
Hellfire Euro PvE
Guild: Cartel
Profile: Blizzard Armory
Talent Spec: 3/13/55
3.1 Re: PvP Stats rating for Warlocks

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So in arena, as a newly born destro (formally affliction) lock, is CoE the curse of choice then? I am still inclined to throw up Curse of Agony just for the damage since Destro has so much casting to do sometimes the coe feels like its not worth it.
If you're facing a healer go for tongues. Mellee, go for agony or for elements. You can use curse of weakness, but I don't think that will make a lot of difference.
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Old June 09, 2009, 01:37 PM   #16 (permalink)

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Winkadoo
80 Human Warlock
Magthierdon(A) US PvP
Talent Spec: 0/17/54
Re: PvP Stats rating for Warlocks

i never use any curses, well ill use curse of tongues ever now and again. Seems like a waste of time for me. I run pally/lock, currently we're 910 rating(1st season doing it and we just started couple days ago, so we're doin alright). We finally got everything locked down and have improved tremendously. Curse of tongues has saved us against a couple healers and things like that. So IMO if your going to use a curse, make it curse of tongues on the healer.
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Old June 09, 2009, 01:57 PM   #17 (permalink)

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80 Human Warlock
Malfurion US PvE
Guild: Entity

3.1 Re: PvP Stats rating for Warlocks

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* Trying to find non-honor gear for PvP is an headache ; I guess the most useful would be the tailoring blues.
Honestly, I wouldn't even bother with the tailoring blues; honor can be ground out so easily these days (at a minimum, do the daily as well as one bg of each type for concerted efforts each day), that anyone can get a couple pieces of gear per week. Also, do Wintergrasp whenever you can- there are quite a few good pieces from there as well.
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Old June 09, 2009, 02:13 PM   #18 (permalink)

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Jenerena
80 Blood Elf Warlock
Executus Euro PvP
Guild: Deliverance
Profile: Blizzard Armory
Talent Spec: 0/13/58
3.1 Re: PvP Stats rating for Warlocks

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i never use any curses, well ill use curse of tongues ever now and again. Seems like a waste of time for me. I run pally/lock, currently we're 910 rating(1st season doing it and we just started couple days ago, so we're doin alright). We finally got everything locked down and have improved tremendously. Curse of tongues has saved us against a couple healers and things like that. So IMO if your going to use a curse, make it curse of tongues on the healer.
As affliction it's always worth getting a curse on your target, whatever it is. Melee it would be curse of agony or curse of exhaustion, caster curse of tongues. Don't really use CoE much.

That extra bit of damage could win the fight. But as you're destro, you rely more on burst anyway.
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Old June 09, 2009, 02:15 PM   #19 (permalink)

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Luxury
80 Blood Elf Warlock
Deathwing US PvP
Guild: Addiction
Profile: Blizzard Armory
Talent Spec: 54/0/17
Re: PvP Stats rating for Warlocks

CoEx can save your ***. I've solo'd to death DK's, Pally's, Warriors in arena. <3
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Old June 09, 2009, 02:19 PM   #20 (permalink)

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Drazzak
80 Human Warlock
Crushridge US PvP
Guild: Empire of Knights
Talent Spec: 0/14/57
3.1 Re: PvP Stats rating for Warlocks

Actually I found the tailoring set (Frostsavage) to be definitely worthwhile. I couldn't hardly survive someone sneezing in my general direction before - dressed in PvE gear - now at least I can survive a few hits before I roll over and play dead.

Have a general question for you guys - is Destro the spec of choice for PvP or is Aff a viable build? I'm looking at a 57/14 build that looks pretty good but before I go respec I want to make sure it's not completely defunct or something. I currently run 14/57 but it's a PvE setup - no molten skin, shadowburn or backlash included - so it's obviously not optimal for BG.

Are there any talents that are completely necessary for *all* PvP builds? I assume Demonic Aegis and Soul Link count, are there any others?
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