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June 10, 2009, 06:08 AM
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Drabi 80 Gnome Warlock Draenor Euro PvE Profile: Blizzard Armory Talent Spec: 0/13/58 |
Fake casting
I noticed this in some posts, and I wonder: what is fake casting and how does it helps you? Or even more important, how do you do that? Drabi |
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June 10, 2009, 06:11 AM
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Zeroneo 80 Undead Warlock Hellfire Euro PvE Guild: Cartel Profile: Blizzard Armory Talent Spec: 3/13/55 |
Re: Fake casting
I'm not completely sure but I think what you mean is when people in arena, start casting a spell to provoke the other class to waste the CD of a silence skill(or something similar). For example when you are facing a mage, you start casting chaos bolt, and jump up before the skill finishes, so that they use counterspell. That means it wont have the desired effect.
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June 10, 2009, 06:32 AM
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Drabi 80 Gnome Warlock Draenor Euro PvE Profile: Blizzard Armory Talent Spec: 0/13/58 |
Re: Fake casting
But if they don't counterspell, didn't you just waisted a GCD? I always thought it was something like, casting a shadowbolt so they lock out your shadow school and your fire school is safe (in the case of deep destruction). Drabi |
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June 10, 2009, 06:41 AM
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Jenerena 80 Blood Elf Warlock Executus Euro PvP Guild: Deliverance Profile: Blizzard Armory Talent Spec: 0/13/58 |
Re: Fake casting
Well yea, you can do that as well. For me, it would be casting a fire spell. I know what you can do to do it, but i also ask the same questions as you, how do you know they're going to do it? Only just started arena with a disc priest and desperate to learn more as mages can be such a pain sometimes. |
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June 10, 2009, 08:48 AM
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Re: Fake casting
It's the former example. It's a tactic most commonly used by healers, who would start the heal casting then cancel it very shortly afterwards in the hope that the other player would see the cast come up and react immediately, wasting their interrupt. It might be worth using a similar tactic with your fear cast, as that's something another player would definitely would want to interrupt, but I wouldn't bother with your bread and butter nukes. |
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June 10, 2009, 01:02 PM
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Status: NOT IN THE FACE!!!!
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Gritz 80 Orc Warlock Eldre'Thalas US PvE Guild: Fate Profile: Blizzard Armory Talent Spec: Destro |
Re: Fake casting
Fake casting (aka juke or juking) is based on the assumption that your opponent is going to use his or her silence to lock you out midcast (most silences last longer if they hit mid-cast as opposed to when not casting or casting an instant spell). Against any experienced opponent, it's not a matter of 'if,' it's a matter of 'when.' If you know that your opponent is going to Counterspell/Silence/Kick/Pummel/Spell Lock/Strangulate/etc, you want them to cast it when you are either not casting or casting an instant. Enter Juking - since your opponent wants to silence your fear mid-cast (for example) for maximum effect; you want to start casting fear, then jump/move/escape so that the silence lands when you are -not- casting. Once they burn their silence, you know that you have X seconds where you cannot be silenced, therefore you can cast freely without having to worry about getting silenced. |
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June 13, 2009, 08:40 AM
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Re: Fake casting
Basically fake casting is making the opponent waste a Spell Interrupt mechanism to fail locking a spell school. You start casting Fear, the enemy Rogue will kick you (or Warr or w/e) thus locking down your Schadow school. But if you stop casting Fear (moving, jumping, escape button,...) before the Rogue kicks you, the kick is wasted and you have 10 seconds of free casting (though he does have Gouge ofc if it is a Rogue). This works wonders vs Warriors Pummel/Shield Bash, Rogues Kick, and DKs Mindfreeze. Gouge is however not a Spell Interrupt, it is simply an Incapacitate (it will interrupt spell casting, but it will never lockdown the school you are casting). It is a little different vs Mages and Warlocks with Counterspell/Spell Lock. If they hit you with the spell while casting your school will be locked down for 8/6 seconds, but you will be silenced for 4/3 seconds as well. This means that if you successfully fakecast a spell, you will still be hit with the 4/3 second silence, but your school will not be locked down for the extra 4/3 seconds. After this you can of course dispel the silence with your Felpup Devour Magic to cast again. Strangulate is totally different from all these mechanics, and works just like the Priests Silence. It is simply a silence. It does not lockdown any spell school if you are hit with it, so you do not have to fakecast for it. If a DK Strangulates you, just have your Healer or Felpup dispel it. Useful addon to have is Afflicted 2, it can show all cooldowns the enemy has, including Mindfreeze/Kick/Gouge/Pummel/Shield Bash. Shield Bash is easy to notice when you are hit by it, you get dazed, same goes for Gouge. Mindfreeze has a very distinct animation (blue ice all around your head) so you will know when he blew his cooldown. Kick is harder to see (but still possible, you really see the Rogue kick you) and Pummel is impossible to see so for those you will really want an addon to see when your adversary used it. Hope this helps!
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June 13, 2009, 08:49 AM
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Drabi 80 Gnome Warlock Draenor Euro PvE Profile: Blizzard Armory Talent Spec: 0/13/58 |
Re: Fake casting
But if they didn't use their interrupt you waisted a GCD, right? Drabi |
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June 13, 2009, 09:47 AM
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Elbuats 80 Orc Warlock Gurubashi US PvP Guild: Adams Road Gang Profile: Blizzard Armory |
Re: Fake casting
Well, that's the point of it being a strategy...it's a gamble. If it works, then you have seconds, if not minutes, of free spell casting time without worrying about interrrupts, which is well worth a single GCD waste. If it doesn't work, then yes, you wasted you a GCD and you still have to worry about being silenced in your next cast. This is the strategy part...you are just hoping that you are smarter than your opponent.
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June 13, 2009, 11:21 AM
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Status: NOT IN THE FACE!!!!
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Gritz 80 Orc Warlock Eldre'Thalas US PvE Guild: Fate Profile: Blizzard Armory Talent Spec: Destro |
Re: Fake casting
If it looks like my opponent is not buying my jukes, I'll wind up a Soul Fire (aff) or blow my Shadow instants then wind up a shadowbolt (destro) to let them know that they either need to LoS me or Silence me or eat a 4k+ nuke. Edit: here's the link for Afflicted. Thanks MM for the tip, looks like a great addon. Last edited by Gritz; June 13, 2009 at 11:33 AM.. |
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