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June 15, 2009, 06:47 AM
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Hoffajr 80 Gnome Warlock Silvermoon Euro PvE Profile: Blizzard Armory Talent Spec: 0/41/30 |
First lvl 80 arena experience - what a dissapointment... :-/
Have some level 70 arena experience from about 1 1/2 year ago, and highest I got then (only decent gear) was around 1750, so no top player exactly. BUT - Tried with a mage partner now for the first time in Wrath of the Lich King, and I have to say I understand why warlock representation is low in the arenas - what a frustrating experience. I can see why warlocks stepping in to the arena for the first time often don't come back. I have some qq'ing with questions - looking for help here: 1. The ready area - what a pain.. summoning pet, buffing, trading hs and having to apply spellstone on wep. Is it possible to make a macro to do all these things in succession? 2. Warlock is no.1 target always!.. perhaps because we are easy to kill? Even with my SL (&destro) build and demon armor (only around 500 resi yet tho) warriors and rogues burn me down in basically a few seconds. I can remember level 70 arena, and it was VERY different back then. First four matches now had a rogue that tore me apart - what a joke. I was trying to trinket on kidney shot and dc - delayed my death a couple of seconds only. Rogues are just totally impossible to beat for me I think. 3. CC not working. Is it my bad play or are there just so many counters to warlock cc these days? Fear?... never seemed to work. Shadowflame glyph? They are already so close Im hamstringed or stunned anyway... 4. Casting times. So SL/destro relies on immolate, CB and incinerate cast times.. I just hardly seemed to get these spells working in 2x2 with me being the target all the time - perhaps its just the wrong spec for 2x2? Affliction with shorter cast times is perhaps better - and gives better survival? Or would that be best with a healing parter, as it has zero burst potential? 5. Partner.. ok so a mage is perhaps not ideal? Is there a de-facto standard for what kind of team and partner I should look for. E.g. is it with a healer (and then perhaps affliction?) or is with another dps (which is why I am sl/destro, thinking that was best for burst...)? 6. Pet... Should we summon voidwalker, sacrifice, dismiss, then summon succy or felhunter? (more pain in starting area... sigh). help me please!  thanks - rgds a dead gnome |
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June 15, 2009, 07:46 AM
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Zeroneo 80 Undead Warlock Hellfire Euro PvE Guild: Cartel Profile: Blizzard Armory Talent Spec: 3/13/55 |
Re: First lvl 80 arena experience - what a dissapointment... :-/
Hey Hoff, I've been doing arena for a while now with an enhancement shammy. We have a lot of burst and a bit of healing(With Enhancements instant cast heals). The thing is, ever since we have become so squichy in Arena the mellee classes will target us first, which makes for a good distraction while your other team mate(given its not a healer) beats away on their healer. Theres not much you can do to keep the mellee off you, if you use void you can pop sacrifice but the shield can go down pretty fast. The best bet to make some distance between yoruself and the melle is aftermath. The daze your target gets from your conflag. The way me and the shaman normally do it. If its a pala healer, we burst away on the dps class and leave the pala CC'd as much as possible, using death coil at the right time can win you an arena round. If its a priest healer we try to burst away on them first, same goes for shammies. With druid healers as a lock you have a slight advantage because you can banish them if they are in treeform. The best you can offer your teammate as a lock is CC and burst. With CB, thats a job we can perform pretty well. Advice against rogues.. I have none, if they come for you , you're doomed. :P I hear that succ's charm skill works on them but that requires good timing. I found a good tactic for locks in the arena with the platforms that move up (can't remember the name right now). Just shadowfury them as soon as you can, then run in and pop your howl of terror, it will give you a few moments to beat away at the healer or the dps class, whichever you think you and your partner can take down the fastest. I hope my post can be a bit of help to you. I always say, practice makes perfect. YOu won't ever win them all. But some teams are easyer than others.
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June 15, 2009, 09:49 AM
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Emmcee 80 Human Warlock Anub' arak US PvP |
Re: First lvl 80 arena experience - what a dissapointment... :-/
Even though im not at the best i have some tips to share and I have experience at the higher brackets 2100+ on my shaman. In 2v2 with a healer affliction is the best, it is very hard for a healer to overcome the constant pressure that comes from an affliction warlock dotting all his targets. But in any bracket besides 2v2, i recomend destro, it is a learning experience but 3v3 tends to be the most balanced arena bracket. True rogues and warriors and paladins will rape you all over but get used to dueling in the dalaran sewers as destro, You learn to develop great control as a warlock and is the key to suceeding in arena. I prefer a succubus/destro build considering the utility that i derive from having a cc off the gcd and work when im stunned. Keep with it and you will find that arena is a rewarding experience and requires a signifigant amount of time to master. The most important part is that you duel as often as possible. Even with my un-enchanted and unsocketed poor pvp peices, i often find myself coming close to winning against the best ret pally on my server and have a very strong win ratio against warriors who don't l2spell reflect. Rogues are a tough one but the better they are, the harder you fall. |
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June 15, 2009, 10:47 AM
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Jointhedotz 80 Human Warlock Darkspear Euro PvE Guild: Mercenaries Of Quan Profile: Blizzard Armory Talent Spec: 0/13/58 |
Re: First lvl 80 arena experience - what a dissapointment... :-/
I feel your pain, i'm in exactly the same boat! I've got shadowfury and conflag glyphed which help, still on 20 played and 20 lost, only 1 kill so far lol. quick question, what destro build works best? I'm using 20/51 with succubus for stunned cc? Thanks
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June 15, 2009, 01:13 PM
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Re: First lvl 80 arena experience - what a dissapointment... :-/
1) Because of the facerolling easymode warlock stigma of BC, you're almost always going to be targeted first. Fear scares the crap out of people (possible a redundant remark there). 2) I'm destro with a disc priest in 2v2. We do alright but I find that it's not a great spec for a long game (ret/resto druid, etc). I am thinking of going affliction, but I really don't know what to do with an affliction PvP spec- SL or no? What about this? Talent Calculator - World of Warcraft
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June 15, 2009, 01:30 PM
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Facemurder 80 Gnome Warlock Ajzol-Nerub US PvE Guild: Clan Battlehammer Profile: Blizzard Armory Talent Spec: 0/17/54 |
Re: First lvl 80 arena experience - what a dissapointment... :-/
Personally for 2's, I run with a Resto Shaman. I also go affliction. I usually throw all my instants up on both targets, depending on the comp of the other team. I do pretty well with this comp, We win more than we lose. Rogues are tough, With good heals, and a few lucky things going your way, you can win. Especially if the Rogue messes up. It's still very, very hard. If they have a healer make sure you always have UA up (if you're affliction) so if the healer dispels there is a chance he's silenced. Dot the healer also, making it harder to heal. If its double dps, you have to hope you can survive through both the cooldowns and burst long enough to kill at least one. If it's double dps. DOT BOTH OF THEM! There are alot of counters to our CC. You just have to learn to deal with it. haha
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June 15, 2009, 02:29 PM
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Hike 80 Undead Warlock Blackwing Lair US PvP Guild: Occam's Raiders Talent Spec: 54/0/17 |
Re: First lvl 80 arena experience - what a dissapointment... :-/
so i've been gearing up my lock for pvp for about 2 months now - mind you i had no pvp experience prior to that, but my guild died... i had nothing better to do. i got up to about 650 resil 3 weeks ago and decided to pair up with my IRL friend the mage for some 2v2 to get my feet wet in arena. i have to be honest - i didn't have the same experience. prior to that i had actually set foot in arena, but i was so bad and in nearly 0 pvp gear that i just laughed it off. i've been pleasantly surprised with my ability to kite opponents & time some pretty serious nukes given the right situation. now - i'll be the first to admit a warlock/mage combo is not the best. we're really just doing this for laughs. but last week we went 5-5 or something and i don't think that's too bad *considering* he has about 200 resilience lol. anyway here's my advice based on very limited experience, so you may want to take it with a few grains of salt: - farm bunches of honor and break 600 resil before taking arena serious in anyway. you'll find the survivability is lot higher - in the process of farming honor through BG's, take it upon yourself to engage in as much senseless 1v1 fights as possible. yep that's right. look at it as practice. you'll learn pretty quickly various techniques for staying alive and burning opponents - pay very close attention to your play style and what's comfortable for you. for me, i'm terrible at survival. so, my whole goal is to do as much cc/surviving as needed to burn down an opponent. in other words i'm not one of those guys that can piss around for 20 minutes while you burn all your cooldowns - i'm much more likely to just try and blow your face off. other people are different. - you can't really avoid the "1st target" problem, but you can try to prioritize your cc's a little bit. use the cc's with the shorter cooldowns first. realize that most people who target you first are going to be blowing their big dps cooldowns, so the idea here is to cause a delay for several seconds... then open up. anyway, that's kinda vague but it's been working for me. i think the biggest help is not taking it too seriously until you can at least be decked out in full hateful/deadly gear.... then maybe find a more serious partner and give it a rock. that' swhat i'm doing anyway :p |
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June 15, 2009, 04:17 PM
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Re: First lvl 80 arena experience - what a dissapointment... :-/
far as being targeted first goes, if it's a DPS/healer team and you don't have a healer if your own... I would get a fear off on the DPS as soon as possible and try to dot 'em both up... you have to have to HAVE to use any CC ability you have as often as possible - fear, deathcoil, HoT, seduction, shawdowfury - whatever - in order to survive. I have about 800 resil, and there are only a couple classes I feel I have problems with: mages if I'm not thinking on my feet and CCing them ASAP, warriors only occasionally, and ret pallies during their bubble phase (sometimes you can get a dumb one and nuke him beofre it's up!). Good luck out there!
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June 15, 2009, 05:08 PM
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Jenerena 80 Blood Elf Warlock Executus Euro PvP Guild: Deliverance Profile: Blizzard Armory Talent Spec: 0/13/58 |
Re: First lvl 80 arena experience - what a dissapointment... :-/
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I'd go with the typical 54/17 spec (the demo talents are essential) and see how you go. You will have to adjust your play style as playing an affliction lock in arena is much different to destro. I've never played destro in arena, so i don't know if it works particularly well, all i do know is that affliction does work well with a disco priest and it is the preferred spec over destro in that kind of combo, apparently. |
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June 16, 2009, 07:26 AM
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Hoffajr 80 Gnome Warlock Silvermoon Euro PvE Profile: Blizzard Armory Talent Spec: 0/41/30 |
Re: First lvl 80 arena experience - what a dissapointment... :-/
Thanks for the advice and tips. Helpful stuff. Great tip engaging in duels and trying lots of 1v1 combat in BGs. Had a long session last night where I did just this, in addition to trying a lot of skirmishes. The skirmishes were also nice as I got to try playing with different classes. The ones were I got a healer were real fun - pure pwnage! Also got some motivation from this video YouTube - Viscus II - Destruction Warlock PvP Level 80 HD - chinese and destruction pvp seem to go hand-in-hand.. (ref drakedog). Anyways - a little more upbeat today as success last night was a lot better (although I still don't see myself killing a rogue anytime soon..), and noted a couple of pointers: 1. self buffing in arena is a bit easier with a macro - trying this one for self buff after summoning pet #showtooltip /castsequence [target=player] Fel Armor, Soul Link, Detect Invisibility, Unending Breath and this for applying stone on wep /console Sound_EnableSFX 0 /cast Create Spellstone /use Master Spellstone /use 16 /click StaticPopup1Button1 /console Sound_EnableSFX 1 2. Use the spells we rarely use in PVE... so easy to forget them when used to PVE playstyle. CoT, shadowflame.. not to mention demonic circle. Have made a little cheat-sheet with these spells to help "remember" them. 3. Get distance first, then nuke. Had some success last night with using demonic circle (getting away with trinket and/or shadowfury), then casting the combo immolate, CB, conflag, shadow-burn. the cb, conflag and sb with a crit can take like 10-15k in a space of 2 seconds - if not dead spam incinerate if possible (or a death coil just for the instant kill damage). Had a great kill on a warrior.. he was prolly thinking "wtf, were'd he go?"... BOOM DEAD!! Seeing some progression at least - perhaps Ill boot the mage for a healer, and perhaps actually win some rated matches... EDIT: And speaking about motivation, gotta add an old Drakedog video YouTube - Drakedog 8 Part 2/3 HQ simply because I think it's so cool at 1:05 when he summons an infernal while at ~5% health to help kill an opposing player! ;p Last edited by hoffajr; June 16, 2009 at 07:38 AM.. |
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