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July 26, 2009, 04:48 PM

#31 (permalink)

Shadowbomb

Character Info
Shadowbomber
80 Undead Warlock
Crushridge US PvP
Guild: I Break for Gnomes
Talent Spec: 0/17/54

Re: Resil doesn't help

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Originally Posted by Terrorist

Wow lol calm down that was in no way a personal attack towards affliction locks, if anything it was a compliment to the ones that are downing rogues.

If you notice i specifically said that its not like affliction locks can't handle rogues, its just atm i would have to say it would be harder (considering CloS=dot wipe etc.)

so just chill out-i try to not attack people in the Den (in wow is diff)

Terrorist,

I think you have read my post in the wrong light. It would seem you have seen some kind of offense in what I have posted...If I may clarify. Winter made a bold claim opening up this thread suggesting that resilience did nothing. Reading on you will see a post by KING CRAB which insulted the mans ability to play his Lock by suggesting he most likely sucked and could not play his class. Every other post goes on to disagree (politely) with the poor guy. It can be a little overwhelming honestly to see everyone disagree with you.

Which brings you to the comment I made. Be careful what you post here buddy cause people will eat you alive if the claim does not hold up to the rest of us...more of less...i didn't memorize it...I made my comment because I felt bad for him...not to insult him. Matter-o-fact I cant see how my comment could be taken offensively. Obviously I was wrong though seeming how someone saw it as such. Therefor I'm sorry.

Please re-read my post and you will see I never insulted him. In fact I asked questions for further details as to why he might see things the way that he did. I also said I like his gear! Someone 'freaking out' would not take the time to ask questions or say something nice. Again I said what I said to warn him of others and to carefully word things to avoid lash-backs...I guess I need to take some of my own advice!

I feel I needed to give this lengthy statement because it is never my intent to offend others. If I have I am sorry. I don't want to come across as the Dens jack ***.

Take care!

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Originally Posted by Winter

I meant back when SL/SL was popular, back then I was with a Resto Shaman and we did 2s in S4 though both of us were undergeared and only hit 1600 but ended up giving up waiting for Wrath of the Lich King.

How much Spell power would you suggest? I'm running with 2100ish with Fel Armor and figured it was fine and as I get some arena pieces plan to switch up for more Spell Pen.

My Druid isn't that well geared:
The World of Warcraft Armory

I'm trying out the Succy now and whilst I'm not used to it, the disc+rogue always goes for the other person so I haven't really gotten to test it.

Hey thanks for the armory link. A number of good suggestions have been made here and I would consider them all. I have my own unique style that I don't see mimic'ed by many other locks. I go toe to toe with melee and it comes down to who will out live the other. I don't do the 'dot dot run' thing so I usually put higher focus on stam & resilience...then spell pen. I do agree you cant go wrong adding spell power either though. most people try and get around 2000 spell power. I think Nex made some good suggestions on overall stats. He seems to know the numbers and percentages better then myself so I think your better off taking his word for it then my own. However if you want to see what I got going on with my lock check out 'Shadowbomber' on the armory.

I think spell Pen is huge too. Nothing like casting a chaos bolt only to have it miss...no amount of spell power can compensate if the spell can't hit...try to get above 100 spell pen. I dont know the cap however...I think someone posted it earlier.

again I am very successful with my play style. Play what works for you. GL

Last edited by Shadowbomb; July 26, 2009 at 05:02 PM..

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July 26, 2009, 09:31 PM	#32 (permalink)
Terrorist Character Info Terrorizt 80 Undead Warlock Ysondra US PvP Guild: Lost Requiem Talent Spec: 0/13/58	Re: Resil doesn't help nah no need to apologize and sorry if my posts seemed hostile it wasn't my intention from what i understood from your post i thought you had the idea that I didn't think aff locks could stand toe to toe with destro in pvp against other classes-may have misunderstood, but i just wanted to make sure you realized that isn't what i was getting at, at all either way sorry for any hostility taken from my comments, sometimes i convey my points thoughts or ideas improperly __________________ Warlocks are the most dangerous things you will come across. If you see one run, if you are being attacked by one its to late.

July 26, 2009, 10:13 PM	#33 (permalink)
Belthezor Character Info Belthezor 80 Blood Elf Warlock Draenor US PvE PvP Guild: BCBuds Profile: Blizzard Armory Talent Spec: 56/0/15	Re: Resil doesn't help Shadowbomber, I am not sure if you are just typing things incorrectly but you might be confusing hit and spell pen. They are very different even though they both show up under hit. Hit gives you the ability to hit the enemy and not miss.. for casters I think its like 6%. Spell Pen on the other hand basically reduces their resistance. You can have 6% hit and 0 spell pen and still hit them all the time. Similarly you can have 2% hit and gazillion spell pen and still miss. Spell penetration - WoWWiki - Your guide to the World of Warcraft If you just miss typed then ignore this

July 27, 2009, 12:13 AM

#34 (permalink)

Sasztam

Character Info
Sasztam
80 Human Warlock
Dentarg US PvP
Guild: Pure Energy
Talent Spec: 3/13/55

Re: Resil doesn't help

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Originally Posted by Winter

Maybe I need to retype my topic title but: IT IS ONLY ROGUES THAT GIVE ME THIS KIND OF HELL.

Are you saying that all the Rogues I come up against are all really awesome players and every other class I come up against is terrible?

The reason that rogues (and also DKs to a greater or lesser degree) perform so well is not because resilience does nothing against them, but because they are the two classes that don't particularly need it. They have more-and more effective-defensive pvp tools than any other class which protect them at least as well as heavy resilience. When I complain to my friends that some rogue stunlocked me from 100-0% the response is always the same, "Get more resilience." The only way for a warlock to stand up to a rogue is with TONS of resil, enough so that we can withstand their initial onslaught, but the way that a rogue beats a warlock is by using his class abilities.

So yes, if I have 900 resil and the rogue has 0 then I will probably(!) kill him, even if he gets the drop on me...but if he also has 900 resil then I stand almost no chance. They have tools to lock us down and control the fight from start to finish, but unless I see him coming and his vanish/cloak of shadows is on CD then there is really nothing in my arsenal to deter him.

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July 27, 2009, 01:24 AM

#35 (permalink)

Shadowbomb

Character Info
Shadowbomber
80 Undead Warlock
Crushridge US PvP
Guild: I Break for Gnomes
Talent Spec: 0/17/54

Re: Resil doesn't help

Quote:

Originally Posted by Belthezor

Shadowbomber, I am not sure if you are just typing things incorrectly but you might be confusing hit and spell pen. They are very different even though they both show up under hit. Hit gives you the ability to hit the enemy and not miss.. for casters I think its like 6%. Spell Pen on the other hand basically reduces their resistance. You can have 6% hit and 0 spell pen and still hit them all the time. Similarly you can have 2% hit and gazillion spell pen and still miss.

Spell penetration - WoWWiki - Your guide to the World of Warcraft

If you just miss typed then ignore this

Yeah good catch I meant resist.

July 27, 2009, 11:27 AM

#36 (permalink)

Honeyfitz

Character Info
Honeyfitz
80 Human Warlock
Malfurion US PvE
Guild: Entity

Re: Resil doesn't help

Quote:

Originally Posted by Winter

On my Warlock its even worse, I have 744 Res and 23k hp and I can't do any damage what so ever while they're doing huge crits and whining about Destruction Damage.

Simply put gear doesn't change it, and it doesn't help that rogues are a strongly represented class. Rogues are simply ruining PvP, how the hell do the developers justify rogues being that overpowered ?

pop trinket > death coil > fear > nuuuuuuuuke!!!!

I hate to be rude, but L2Warlock before crying on forums, IMO.

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July 27, 2009, 12:36 PM	#37 (permalink)
Murderbug	Re: Resil doesn't help Pretty much what everyone said... If you're an affliction lock, you can use VW's stealth detection while spamming this macro: #showtooltip Curse of Exhaustion /console targetNearestDistance 15.000000 /targetenemy [noharm][dead] /console targetNearestDistance 41.000000 /cast [harm,nodead] Curse of Exhaustion /dismount [target=target,exists] If you pull the rogue out of stealth do a quick HoT, port out of there, CoEx > Corruption, fear > UA (so healer can't dispel) then go from there. A lot of times if the break fear that's when I DC then fear them again. Make sure you have CoEx up as much as possible. If you have time to get a Haunt in there I highly recommend it because it'll increase damage, plus bounce some health back to you. The real point is to keep him as far away from you as possible. I see too many locks trying to go toe-to-toe with rogues and that just doesn't make sense to me. Every time I beat down a rogue it's because I'm keeping my distance, forcing them to cloak and run all the way back to me only to have me port at the last second. I've run across a few duel rogue teams in arena, and this strat works every time because they're usually going after my healer first. He can heal through 1 rogue who's popped his CDs but not two so I pick them off 1 at a time, while he hexes the other (after they've popped their trinket of course). As already mentioned, if the rogue gets the drop on you then all you have to keep you standing is void-bubble and your resilience. No/low resilience = GG

July 28, 2009, 03:59 AM	#38 (permalink)
Bo_Shilo Character Info Sittingbull 80 Human Warlock Twisting Nether US RP PvP Guild: WOW First Ward Profile: Blizzard Armory Talent Spec: 53/18/0	Re: Resil doesn't help Well if it helps Terrorist, I as Aff lock find I do have a problem with destro locks....I have been looking for one to duel lately to figure out exactly why...now I don't fancy myself a noob nor a great, but above average scrub....usually good mages are the only caster that give me much grief and once in a while a really good lock, but I ran across a Destro lock in a BG and just simply had a tough time...mostly his fear with high pop--->dead aff lock __________________ Only thing to fear is long death runs & rez timers

July 28, 2009, 08:58 PM	#39 (permalink)
Belthezor Character Info Belthezor 80 Blood Elf Warlock Draenor US PvE PvP Guild: BCBuds Profile: Blizzard Armory Talent Spec: 56/0/15	Re: Resil doesn't help Bo, if you are caught off guard then yeah you probably don't have much chance... its probably not impossible, but if you corr. everyone you can that tends to help keep you alive a little.. not much but every little bit helps. Fear, demonic circle, HS, Health Pots, and Battlemaster trinket are all very important. I know its not totally impossible because yesterday I was able to fight off a level 80 SPriest, level 80 Destro Lock, and 76 druid. I had 24hks before they were able to kill me;) The key is to utilize every tool you have. Sometimes in BGs you are just running into a group and you don't have time to prep really, but you can still win if you los them by running into buildings and stuff like that. Again though dot everyone up for the healing benefit first though. A straight out gun fight with a destro lock means death for you because of the burst, but if you kite them and fear and dot and drain you can win.

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