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July 28, 2009, 09:50 PM
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Shadowbomber 80 Undead Warlock Crushridge US PvP Guild: I Break for Gnomes Talent Spec: 0/17/54 |
AV talk!
Time to talk a little AV. Lets hear your strats, rants, likes, dislikes, etc about the popular BG. I'll start! I am going to talk about the generalities that exist in AV...not pre-mades or rare exceptions so lets look at how AV is MOST of the time before stating rare occurances as typical generalizations. With that said I understand things might be different between servers or battle-groups so please express as much when you post. especially if your servers playing differs greatly then someone else who has posted. I've heard from many people that this is their favorite BG. I enjoy it too but it is not my favorite. I got a few problems with it and I'm sure your all familiar with them. First I don't care much for what it has turned into. AV used to encourage fighting between the two factions where now it is a race to the others aid station. for instance last night I ran three AV's in a row. In game 1 the highest number of blowing kills was 2. WTF is that!? games 2 and 3 were better but still far from acceptable. game 3 was the best with 13 blowing kills. Game 2 was like 7 or 8. Alli won all three. So there are some people out there that are okay with this. The faster they can end the BG the better. The faster they can collect the honor then perfect. so they are in heaven. As much as I love gaining honor I never think it should overshadow PvP. This is a battle ground here and people are forgetting to battle. They should rename AV to 'the honor farm'. Now I dont know how it is on your servers but from some of my buddies on other servers is seems to be pretty standard. The only thing that changes is the faction that dominates the other. I would say about half of our games are like this. The other half starts the same, both sides running past each other. Only after taking the aid station does a small handfull try to go back and recap towers. I can handle this even though I still think it is far from what a BG should be because those little fights in the towers are fun. Sadly I look forward to those times when a turtle happens, much to the horror of others, because then it is 40 on 40 and some real fighting starts to take place. I don't mean to attack something that someone else love so if I came across as a prick I'm sorry. I got other issues with AV too like AFK'ers and uneven numbers when starting like 40/13...I don't understand why this happens so if someone could enlighten me plz. Out of all the BG's AV has the potential to be the best damn BG ever created. Maybe I stand alone in my thinking and I am the only one who would PvP rather then run past the enemy. I understand the problems that existed before and every AV was an enormous turtle. I understand that nobody can play an 10 hour BG too. I know the changes made by Blizz were for the better but I am not sure they are now what they were intended to be either. Thoughts? |
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July 28, 2009, 10:03 PM
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Zamp 80 Blood Elf Warlock Stormreaver US PvP Guild: Elusive Profile: Blizzard Armory Talent Spec: 3/13/55 |
Re: AV talk!
Too much PVE not enough PVP. Arathi Basin is where my heart is. |
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July 28, 2009, 11:06 PM
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Belthezor 80 Blood Elf Warlock Draenor US PvE PvP Guild: BCBuds Profile: Blizzard Armory Talent Spec: 56/0/15 |
Re: AV talk!
Ah AV by far my favorite... First the good: AV for me is by far the best BG we have as it is most similar to what war should be about. Too many people associate PvP with just mindlessly killing the other. Sure thats one aspect of it, but I like to think there is more to it. Teams with the best strategies.. both defense and offense. You take strategic locations, perhaps give up others, to put you in the winning spot. A good AV won't be just rushing to the aid station. A good AV will be about protecting our aid station but at the same time capturing the enemies'. WSG is just a silly game.. no real "war"craft there just capturing the flag. Meh. AB is my 2nd favortie as its similar to AV but on a much smaller scale. The 2 newer bgs never captured my heart really although they are fun enough. Regarding the PvE and PvP balance, I actually think that makes it the best BG in the game so far. I really don't think BGs should be big old arena matches. That is hardly what war is about and hardly the way you win a battle. I think a bit more pve implemented in the other bgs would make them my more entertaining and challenging. OK.. next the bad: I agree with Shadowbomber. AV has turned into a rush to the aid station bg. In my battlegroup at least AV is almost ALWAYS dominated by Alliance. The battle starts and they have 40players while we have 20. Thats just rediculous. Even if half way through it evens out its too late. While I have never had low numbers on HKs, it is crazy how unbalanced it is. Also 40players may just be too many. AFKers while normally I don't care if there are one or two, ruin it. As I said we are already usually outnumbererd 2:1 but if you add in AFKers then its much worse. The fact that it can last long can be draining too, but I find that usually only if we are loosing. Alliance may enjoy it a lot more as they are normally winning. All and all I maybe one of the few that actually just enjoys BGs and runs them for just that reason. I am almost always honor capped and I have arena gear so I can't get anything with honor anyway at this point. I don't care about HKs or the amount of honor gained, I play them for enjoyment and to win. I so can't wait for the new bg!! |
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July 28, 2009, 11:33 PM
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Azraeleth 80 Undead Warlock Ravenholdt Euro RP PvP Profile: Blizzard Armory Talent Spec: 0/20/51 |
Re: AV talk!
AV is by far the easiest for honor farming so I use that for farming, too much PvE for my taste tho. AB and EOTS would be my favorites, however it does have a longer queue time and usually the numbers are very unbalanced to begin with. Funiest moment came in AV tho... see the pic http://img110.imageshack.us/img110/8172/jokav.jpg |
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July 28, 2009, 11:47 PM
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AB's my favorite, easily. |
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July 29, 2009, 04:25 AM
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Risotto 80 Gnome Warlock Perenolde US PvE Profile: Blizzard Armory Talent Spec: 0/20/51 |
Re: AV talk!
My favorite is easily EOTS. By far the most dynamic and balance of all BGs. Don't get me wrong, AB is great as well. However, because of the flag cap mechanics, it favors the defence a little bit more. Also there is a slight map imbalance for the different factions, which favors the horde slightly. AV I also like. However, the map is also imbalance. For a pre-made, this would favor the horde. For Pugs, this favors the alliance. The great thing about AV is the immense amount of things you can do in it. You can defend one of the early towers, defend the base from stealth capers, go for the captains, go forward capping, back cap. I always felt that it was a good meld of PvE and PvP. Actually, I think they "over-removed" some of the PvE elements in it. A favorite past time use to be to summon Isus(sp) with the storm cyrstals. But he takes such a looooong time heading to the horde base, and spending a stupid amount of time wandering in the field of strife. They need to fix it. I think they have done an OK job with making it much less of a race to the boss and dps type fight in recent patches. At least now, the lieutenants cannot be pulled out one by one and their presence buff eachother. Back then, people just pull them out one by one without capping any towers! So this made capping towers at least part of the game. What would I change about AV? Not too much. Yes, you are seeing people running past eachother. Why is that? It is because the whole raid is moving past each other. Unless I have a small force of men with me, I am not going to charge into 40 hordes/alliances..... Ideally, in a pre-made, People will have proper defence and the force will be split up with actual missions. I imagine you will see a lot more action in the field of strife. So the running past eachother thing is stricly a PuG phenomenon. They want the safety in numbers. You see the same situation in other BGs. WSG, the whole raid run for each other's base. The rare defender that stays back don't achieve much. In AB, EoTS, this is less of a problem because the fights naturally occur around a node or base.
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July 29, 2009, 05:47 AM
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Re: AV talk!
AV on my server is not fun for alliance, we are always outnumbered, it always takes at least 45 minutes to win/lose and get about 1k honor from getting slaughtered by hordes in our own GY. Sometimes we have that big ol'battle 40-40, but that's not much fun either, both sides just AoE eachother, locks SoC everyone in sight and you stay on your spot for 45 minutes and hope that the other side loses re-inforsments by just brute force. There is no dynamic, we dont win, you only see the bridge at alliance side, and spam SoC...that's no bg to me... What you say about the running to the front is true as well, most of the times you run past eachother at about midfield...kill galv...get GY at Horde's boss....and then no-one shows up for backup because they are held by hordies at base spawn...so..you ride back...get ganked by some lone Rogue, spawn at base GY and been ganked for the next 45 minutes.. One big rant from my side about this bg...sometimes its fun to do and get that 40-40 and see how much damage you can do. I once had 2k honor and still lost...the winners walked away with 5k honor...SICK!
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July 29, 2009, 10:19 AM
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RomaGoth 80 Human Warlock Durotan US PvE Profile: Blizzard Armory Talent Spec: 30/41/0 |
Re: AV talk!
I enjoy AV and AB the most. Never really cared for EOTS and WSG, though they do have some decent PvP moments. A couple of other things... There really is no such thing as a server battleground. Each bg consists of a battlegroup (i.e., mine is Ruin). This draws players from various servers. Also, the imbalance issues are nothing new. For as long as I have done AV, the alliance almost always outnumbers horde in the beginning. I think this is because WoW-wide, alliance outnumbers horde, thus you will naturally have more alliance players than horde players.
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July 29, 2009, 10:29 AM
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Iazt 80 Undead Warlock Burning Steppes Euro PvP Guild: Pinkertons Profile: Blizzard Armory Talent Spec: 3/13/55 |
Re: AV talk!
The reason i hardly do AV is just because others already said, it's not fun when there iare 40 allys and 23 hordies. Seems like people all over the world is experiencing this and it because that Blizz should maybe try to do something to fix it? Theres like 8-10 games going on but in each and everyone theres just 20 hordies! 
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July 29, 2009, 10:46 AM
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RomaGoth 80 Human Warlock Durotan US PvE Profile: Blizzard Armory Talent Spec: 30/41/0 |
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