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August 03, 2009, 11:21 AM
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banishing trees- is it worth it?
i did not know until a month ago that trees and meta locks in demon forms can be banished....and all i do is play in BGs. I thought it was awesome until i actually tried it on a healing tree. but instead of helping our grp it ended up doing the opposite most of the times. players asked me to stop doing it coz it was messing up with them killing the healer. Here is the problem - the duration of banish is way too short on trees and meta locks. i would have been really happy if the friggin spell held for atleast 10 plus seconds....but it was like 5-8 seconds or even less. and this is the first time without even DR setting in!!!!! I would like to hear from the pvp experts on this issue. Am i doing something wrong? Thanks guys. |
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August 03, 2009, 11:49 AM
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Kiralyn 80 Human Warlock Mal'Ganis US PvP Guild: Self Titled Profile: Blizzard Armory Talent Spec: 0.13.58 |
Re: banishing trees- is it worth it?
Communication is key. If the tree isn't being focused down (hiding at the back of a pack, there is another healer up, whatever) than banish is good CC. No, it doesn't last terribly long, but it serves well enough. What you lose is exactly what people complain about, they can't interact with the target. If you banish a tree while it's being killed, you are just wasting time on that target. Banish is more useful as a defensive tool. Just like most other CC, it prevents movement, so in a case like SotA when assaulting, anything that slows the defenders is useful. It also can be good if used before your DPS gets on target, though this is really only true if you are in a situation with no other ranged DPS. A banish gives melee a chance to catch up. The best thing you can do is be aware. Banish is powerful if used correctly, or a pain if used without thought.
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August 03, 2009, 11:53 AM
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Pernicious 80 Blood Elf Warlock Dark Iron US PvP Guild: Allmacht Profile: Blizzard Armory Talent Spec: 0/13/58 |
Re: banishing trees- is it worth it?
Forgive me for not being a PvP expert, but I have been getting a lot more involved in PvP as of late (finally reached over 500 resilience!) I find that Banishing is a tool, just like all others, that is situational. You need to look closely at the battle that is going on. If your team out numbers the other in a given battle by a significant number (4 on 2, 6 on 3) You're probably going to do harm by banishing that Healer or DPS. If you're out numbered, and you notice the healer is not under attack, or is set back form the battle healing, then you'll probably do good by banishing him. Same goes with the Warlock, though a Warlock is harder to figure out as he would most likely be in Demon Form with Immolation Aura on in the thick of the battle. More than likely there is somebody on your team hitting him, so banishing might actually help the lock in the end while also saving your team some damage. In a situation where you're the underdog (there are more of them than you), Banishing can be a great boon to even the playing field, so long as your team isn't fighting with your banish target, you're in good shape to keep that Druid CC'd. If they are fighting the tree, I suggest switching to fearing the targets that are not being dealt with. I was in the eye of the storm the other day, and a bunch of Allys were grave camping us near Fel Reaver. They had a druid healer and a few tanks/melee. The druid stood back behind everyone while the melee kept us at bay. I managed to banish the healer and that was enough for us to take down their men and then the druid soon after. It's tough to say in any given situation what is the best course of action. But I do think Banish can be used with great effect.
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August 03, 2009, 12:04 PM
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Azraeleth 80 Undead Warlock Ravenholdt Euro RP PvP Profile: Blizzard Armory Talent Spec: 0/20/51 |
Re: banishing trees- is it worth it?
From my experience I generally agree with you. Tree's are a non stop healing machine and cc does nothing to them. I dont think there is a "right" way of dealing with them, every encounter is different. Sometimes switching targets to them is good enough but generally they need 2 very well played and co-ordinated dps on them (double rogue for ex) , or as is the case in BG's about 5 people all doing their own thing. The problem with banishing them in BG's is that you may get down 1 of the dps class but that just makes it easyier for them to keep the rest up and extends the fight at a place not of your chosing. It also means that any of our dps who targets them has lost a vital few secs of damage and possibly wasted a cd or 2 without realising it. Forogt you asked about locks in demon form. Ive only ever seen a few and tbh it's just a case of "boom headshot" with them, never needed anything clever to deal with them. |
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August 03, 2009, 12:06 PM
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Re: banishing trees- is it worth it?
If there are just a couple of players with the tree or you outnumber them, don't bother, as you said it is probably slowing down their demise. However, I don't think there is anything wrong with banishing a tree or a lock if you are outnumbered or if they are amongst a large group you have to contend with. There is nothing wrong with using CC, that's what it is for: to disrupt and control. Banishing that healer means it's easier to take down whoever he was healing for a brief period of time, and sometimes attacking a healer 1v1 or even 2v1 is a totally futile effort as they can simply out-heal anything you can dish unless they are oom. Banishing a lock means one less person shooting at you, and that can turn a 5v3 into a 5v4 with a burst dealer out of the game for crucial seconds. A lot of encounters are based on circumstance and RNG, every bit can help, IMO. Blizzard is giving us the ability to release a banish early in 3.2. And yes, it works nowhere near as long on a player as it does on a NPC, and, like seduce or fear, after a few applications it simply won't work anymore. Use it in concert with these abilities to be successful in BGs. A warlock does not just rack up HKs, a warlock ensures that his or her enemies do not accomplish their goals. A good lock can hold off several enemies at a time for the crucial seconds it takes for backup to arrive at a flag or tower, for example. We also make pretty good flag runners, IMO, especially affliction. Fear with nightmare, instant Howl, DC, Glyph of Shadowflame, Seduce... endless ways to keep small groups of people off your butt. |
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August 03, 2009, 12:15 PM
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Re: banishing trees- is it worth it?
It is always situational, and you have to actually pay attention to how the player playing the tree reacts to the banishes. I've banished trees that ran away right after the banish was up to get away from me, however I've had my fair share of trees that just ate the banishes while trying to get a HoT off in between my spams. If you come up against a tree that just eats it, unfortunately you are going to have to blow all your cooldowns to get him as far away from whatever he is healing as possible - Banish - Death Coil - Shadowfury - Fear - Immolation + Conflag (to make him walk back from the fear slower).... Assuming he didn't trinket out of any of those (just banish again if he did), and that whoever he is healing hasn't killed you already, then whoever he was healing is probably dead by now and the people around you can start killing the tree. This only works really well against a 2v2 situation though... If it is a group of the enemy vs a group of your team, then The druid usually should be burst down first (cc any of their hard hitters if you can, fear bomb everyone, etc) Oh, and make sure to have curse of tongues up |
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August 03, 2009, 12:15 PM
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Supernex 80 Gnome Warlock Drak'thul US PvP Guild: Epic Drops Profile: Blizzard Armory Talent Spec: 0/20/51 |
Re: banishing trees- is it worth it?
I will Banish a Tree or Meta Lock in BG's if the opportunity calls for it, but where Banishing really shines is in arena. =)
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August 03, 2009, 12:44 PM
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Lopennie 80 Gnome Warlock Draenor US PvE Guild: Paradox Profile: Blizzard Armory Talent Spec: 54/17/0 |
Re: banishing trees- is it worth it?
I complete agree with Supernex here. In arenas, If a druid is tree form or lock in meta. They are just asking to be banished, and being the nice Warlocks we are we should do that for them.  - But like others have said above me, not really something you want to do if you're focusing it.Banish on a druid is very very nice CC in arenas. You can pretty much control that druid for a good chunk of time with 3 fears, 3 banishes, spell lock, death coil. its amazing. So banish = good!
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August 03, 2009, 01:48 PM
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Re: banishing trees- is it worth it?
"players asked me to stop doing it coz it was messing up with them killing the healer." Since you only do BGs it would be a tough call. I'd guess the minute you don't banish you would have a chorus of people yapping off about NOT banishing the tree. Situational awareness, as pointed out in above posts, is the key. |
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