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Old August 12, 2009, 08:50 PM   #1 (permalink)

3.2 Battlegrounds ruined by 3.2

3.2 has ruined battlegrounds, at any level short of 80.

The intention was to prevent twinks from beating up undergeared players. However, battlegrounds are just ruined atm. If you try to queue for battlegrounds with XP turned off, expect a very loooong wait. I tried it and I was at a 1 hour wait before I just gave up.

Now there are still twinks inside the xp enabled battlegrounds, but they can't last there long. What are they supposed to do when they run out of time? The only players left to do Bgs will be very casual players.

Further, there's a huge problem with level 80 Alterac. There are too many levels 70-75 looking to gain all of that cheap XP off of Alterac, where a single 10 minute match may give you 2 bars of experience (if you win). This would make leveling 70-71 take 100 minutes, no way to that consistently while soloing really.

You just can't have 80's running around Alterac in furious gear bumping into 71 players in starting Northrend gear. It might take like 5-10 level 70 ish players to take down 1 80 geared Paladin. There desperately needs to be Alterac 70-79 and 80 only.

The battlegroups need to be linked to prevent less downtime.
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Old August 12, 2009, 09:13 PM   #2 (permalink)

3.2 Re: Battlegrounds ruined by 3.2

I agree with you. I, for the most part, solely pvp. I ran AV last night about 5 times in a row with the experience turned on because I figured the wait with it turned off would be long. The first match I paid little attention to the levels of the enemies but towards the end I steam-rolled into a GY that was being taken by 4 horde. I killed 3 of them before I died, even with a few more coming to help them, which as most locks know isnt the norm. The next matches I checked the levels of my teammates and atleast 31 of the 40 were 75 and under and riddled the bg chat with nothing but talk of how much xp they are getting. I have no problem destroying lower 70s horde but Im teamed with people that have no idea what to do or where to go. Neither side even killed van or drek so all 5 matches were extremely long waiting for resources to run out. Just not my idea of a good time!
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Old August 12, 2009, 09:23 PM   #3 (permalink)

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Re: Battlegrounds ruined by 3.2

I have tried to queue twice on my 39 twink,and have yet to see a bg post 3.2 :( i have nothing else to do with this twink since my main is a lock as well,just wanted a "mini me" to have fun in bgs with.
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Old August 12, 2009, 11:29 PM   #4 (permalink)

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Re: Battlegrounds ruined by 3.2

I have no sympathy for the twink queue problem - other then to hope that Blizzard queues you up across battlegroups. But I also think a lot of it is due to the 3.2 changes making people want to farm heroics on their level 80s for a few weeks in order to get new gear. I suspect Blizzard is also in a wait and see mode with regards to queue times. And they're not likely to change anything until early September, after BlizzCon. (I believe that the queue times is a strong signal that people don't want to play against perma-twinks.)

Yes, there should be a 70-79 AV... although it amuses me to go in there at level 80 and beat up on the mid-70s.

AV is also over-XP'd at the moment. I'm pretty sure that the XP gains in there are overdone and will be scaled back compared to the other BGs.
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Old August 13, 2009, 05:10 AM   #5 (permalink)

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Re: Battlegrounds ruined by 3.2

I have a 59 twink rogue, which is now comepletely useless. All I have now is an overgeared banking char. I'm a bit pissed.
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Old August 13, 2009, 12:44 PM   #6 (permalink)

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Re: Battlegrounds ruined by 3.2

I'm not really pleased with the changes.

I realize that most people perceive twinks as being made to roflstomp non-twinks, but I twinked in order to earn BG rep.

I figured out all the rep I'd need, divided to figure out how much I needed to earn in each bracket, and hung out at the 9's until I reached my goal. It might seem a bit odd, but I'm really learning how to pvp with each toon (my druid always tops the healing meters).

My twinks aren't my mains - they're my go-to characters when I'm bored.

With the recent changes, I can either wait for hours to get into a non-XP battleground, or I can suck it up and join a regular, XP-laden BG and two-shot all the non-twinks (which, I have to admit, is kind of fun and exciting, but *not* why I'm there).

I'm not sure what I'm going to do, now. The 19 bracket at least has games running. 29 and 39 not so much. I suppose I can just try to level through the bg's, "twinking" at each level, but honestly, who wants a level 20/30/40 non-healer in their match?

I suppose I'll just wait and see what happens, although I have a feeling I'm going to wind up caving in an leveling.
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Old August 13, 2009, 12:51 PM   #7 (permalink)

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Pardon the mini derailment, however I was about to bring my multibox team into BGs this weekend. They are level 72s atm.

Are you saying I would suck up massive amounts of xp doing AVs?...instead of the monotonous quest grind.

Do I get shared xp from others kills in the bg, or just what I personally kill?
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Old August 13, 2009, 01:39 PM   #8 (permalink)

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Re: Battlegrounds ruined by 3.2

I think its only accentuated the problem, for ex Sota was daily bg yesterday (and today). I have 3 80's and it took most of the day to get a win on each char, at one point I had to enquire why the tanks were trying to kill people on the beaches instead of taking out walls.... now put that scenario into an AV environment...

So your really only seeing really shockingly poor players with little knowledge of that BG or the pvp principles being confounded by giving 7 or 8 lvls to an opposing player and wearing poor greens no enchs and sometimes bizzare gemming if they have a blue or 2.
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Old August 13, 2009, 02:24 PM   #9 (permalink)

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3.2 Re: Battlegrounds ruined by 3.2

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AV is also over-XP'd at the moment. I'm pretty sure that the XP gains in there are overdone and will be scaled back compared to the other BGs.

I read a blue post somewhere of GC saying that they are going to bump up the xp in some BG's... I guess to be on par with AV. So looks like there will be scaling-up, not scaling-down.
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Old August 17, 2009, 05:07 AM   #10 (permalink)

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3.2 Re: Battlegrounds ruined by 3.2

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Do I get shared xp from others kills in the bg, or just what I personally kill?
You don't get any XP from kills. You get XP based on your side achieving BG objectives.

In AV, whenever a tower burns or Galv/Drek die you get a chunk of XP. For my 74 lock, I get about 18k per tower, maybe 150k XP for an AV win with all towers down.

I tried the other BGs, they all gave much less XP than AV. Even worse, the queues in the 71-79 bracket are very slow (took me 30 mins to get into EotS and then we only had 3 players on my side). Whereas 71-80 AV queue is generally under 1 min for me.
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