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August 27, 2009, 11:46 PM
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Merlins 80 Human Warlock Icecrown US PvE Profile: Blizzard Armory Talent Spec: 0/20/51 |
Time to buff Demonology?
Hello all! I'm mainly a PvPer though I have pretty good PvE knowledge/experience as well, taking a break from that aspect of the game atm. I personally enjoy all 3 specs and love the variety. With Demonology, I really hope we can see more Master and Pet Interaction in the future. I know Destruction is doing pretty well in both PvE and PvP. Affliction is also doing pretty well in PvP but could use a slight buff when it comes to PvE; however, for the most part is doing well. Demonology is quite a bit behind in PvE and you very rarely run into any Demo locks in competitive PvP. With the week off from arena, I've been messing around with a few different Demonology specs, glyphs, gear setups, etc. to experiment with the spec. I'm pretty much decked out with the best PvP gear available so I have a lot of options here. So far, I've found that I like stacking as much haste as possible. I'm sitting at 1.09 second Fears and 2.09 second Shadow Bolts. When S7 starts, we'll have access to even more haste, with the introduction of a Haste offset bracers, belt, boots and also dagger, offhand, and wand. We could very easily drop Fear down to 1 second and Shadow Bolt to 2 seconds by going all out on haste. My findings? The spec really isn't too bad in bgs. With the nerf to banish other locks aren't too bad to deal with now. Making good use of the Felguard's intercept can help here too. With all of the haste we have too, it's pretty easy to beat other locks to landing the first Fear.  Turn Evil can still be a pain but having a dispeller with you helps. The spec actually puts out pretty good pressure in bgs, especially when Metamorphosis is up. I was seeing 10k+ Shadow Bolt crits on players and 5k Shadowburn crits, though those players probably had very little resilience!  Either way the damage potential isn't too bad at all. Priests and Paladins have been the biggest pain in bgs, due to being able to dispel Immolate and Corruption. In arena, the lack of dispel protection on the dots could be problematic; however, paired with a rogue or other high damage class, dispellers won't always have the gcds to dispel your dots. Now to the topic, is it time to buff Demonology? With patch 3.2.2 coming out soon, we're seeing Arcane get some buffs (For PvE), and Boomkin too for PvP (And they very much need them). Buffing Demonology might be being greedy, seeing as our other 2 specs do fairly well in both aspecs of the game but so do the drood trees! Also, by buffing Demonology, mages wouldn't have to worry about applying the scorch buff! *wink* *wink*  This would also help to get more Demonoloy locks out there in PvP but how to go about it? Well for PvE, the spec obviously just needs its damage buffed to make it more viable. A simple and easy fix would be to add a damage % buff to Demonic Pact for the warlock. 5 points is a hefty investment as is, so this seems to be a fitting place to help. Other possibilities are to buff the Felguard's damage, Demonic Empowerment, or any other numerous talents/ideas. Obviously any damage buffs are going to be nice for PvP too; however, from my experience Demonology PvP suffers the most from lack of control. Ie. no Shadowfury or instant Howl of Terror to setup your damage and from having to rely so much on a 2 minute cd, Metamorphosis. Once Metamorphosis is down, you really have very little to do. A few things that I think could really help Demonology in PvP would be: 1. Give the Felguard either a Hamstring, an Intervene, or hard ticking Bleed that scales with our spell power (This could help the damage problem in PvE too). 2. Reduce Turn Evil to a 6 second duration, like Banish is now. 3. This isn't a "Huge" problem but is one of those things that really sucks about Warlock PvP in general and even PvE for that matter, I wish Destructive Reach and Grim Reach were combined or worked for both trees. If this happened, switch Destructive Reach's location in the talent tree with Aftermath. Thoughts?
Last edited by Merlin; August 28, 2009 at 12:17 AM.. |
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August 28, 2009, 12:43 AM
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Kraosis 80 Gnome Warlock Thorium Brotherhood US RP Guild: Third Mobile Infantry Talent Spec: 3/13/55 |
Re: Time to buff Demonology?
sounds good if you ask me although i havnt really had any problems with turn evil in bgs but i do agree on the dammage buffs it needs it big time
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August 28, 2009, 12:44 AM
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August 28, 2009, 01:36 AM
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iamultimo 80 Orc Warlock Barthilas US PvP Guild: Serendipity Profile: Talent Spec: 0/56/15 |
Re: Time to buff Demonology?
Grats on glad mate, Good job Oh and i also totally agree haha. Back in the The Burning Crusade days i used to raid with my felgaurd instead of the sac pet shadowbolt spam, and do very good in hyjal and bt. I wish they would make demo a good dps spec again, or atleast make it more viable. I mean demonic pact is only better then an elemental shamans totem when you hit 2800spell power self buffed, and even then its not reliable and even worth it as your pet has to be attacking to get this buff where as a shamans totem is always up. Buff felgaurds damage and i would be happy
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August 28, 2009, 01:52 AM
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Merlins 80 Human Warlock Icecrown US PvE Profile: Blizzard Armory Talent Spec: 0/20/51 |
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August 28, 2009, 01:55 AM
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iamultimo 80 Orc Warlock Barthilas US PvP Guild: Serendipity Profile: Talent Spec: 0/56/15 |
Re: Time to buff Demonology?
Yeah i loved it |
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August 28, 2009, 02:11 AM
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Merlins 80 Human Warlock Icecrown US PvE Profile: Blizzard Armory Talent Spec: 0/20/51 |
Re: Time to buff Demonology?
Wtb more discussion! What would you do to improve Demonology? |
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August 28, 2009, 04:21 AM
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Cormanthor 80 Human Warlock Gnomeregan US PvE Guild: Knights who say Ni Profile: Blizzard Armory Talent Spec: Various |
Re: Time to buff Demonology?
In 3.3 (I believe), the plan is to make pets immune to AoE from NPCs at least (but possibly not players). With this in mind, I think that buffing the demon is the way to go, both from an implementation standpoint and a lore perspective. It's called 'Demonology" for a reason, right? Methods: For PvE, up the Felguard's damage by enough to make us viable in raids. For PvP, I suppose the Felguard is one of the better ways to go as well. With the increased damage from the PvE change, Demolocks are only lacking a viable control method. So what about including a nasty stun as part of the Felguard's Demonic Empowerment?
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August 28, 2009, 05:15 AM
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iamultimo 80 Orc Warlock Barthilas US PvP Guild: Serendipity Profile: Talent Spec: 0/56/15 |
Re: Time to buff Demonology?
Make meta form perm. I know it sounds a little op but seriously why not? Demo is so far behind in pve and pvp that making meta form perm would actually make it viable. |
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August 28, 2009, 08:46 AM
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Merlins 80 Human Warlock Icecrown US PvE Profile: Blizzard Armory Talent Spec: 0/20/51 |
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Going off of previous responses from Blizzard though, this will probably never happen even if Meta was to be nerfed. |
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