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September 04, 2009, 11:11 PM
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stroked 80 Blood Elf Warlock Grim Batol Euro PvP |
Pvp help
Hi peepz,im running fine with my gear vs all classes but im running into trouble,retri palas just damage me down with almost 1k resilience even with demon armor up..they dispel my imolate,so i cant even dot them..they because immune to fear with trinket and buble and stay on me all the time riping me down..so any help would be apreciated! many thkz |
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September 05, 2009, 08:46 AM
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Squishthis 80 Gnome Warlock Shadowmoon US PvP Guild: Smokaz Lounge Profile: Blizzard Armory Talent Spec: 3/13/55 |
Re: Pvp help
i use to be not so good with pvp as destro spec so i took the advice of some other players and went aff now i never rolled aff not even when i was lvling and i must say im impressed i went 54/17 with soul link and im doin better than ever before!! there was a pally arena guy that use to beat my ass all the time now he wants nothing to do with me. the dots are amazing and i think there are some he cant dispell. i was in wg i dotted up some guy as he was running i tried to chase him but no need cause he died running. give it a shot if you havent already. |
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September 05, 2009, 04:09 PM
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Re: Pvp help
Hi, watch this: Destruction Duel Guide 2 By zUkUu - World of Warcraft Movies I'll hope that'll help you 
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September 05, 2009, 06:07 PM
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Shadowbomber 80 Undead Warlock Crushridge US PvP Guild: I Break for Gnomes Talent Spec: 0/17/54 |
Re: Pvp help
I will tell you a little secret, destro locks are a pallies worst nightmare! It is true i promise. They got some pretty nifty spells like bubble or dispel, and it is really easy for them to dps when all they got to do is pound their face against the keyboard but truthfully we really got a 1 up on them. Once you figure out how to kill them they will not be too big of a problem. Ill explain from my own experience. The trick is to maintain your distance. The pally has no choice but to close the gap on you, being melee he cant hurt you until he is close. There is no real spell cycle to use here...everything is circumstancial. Use certain spells to create distance. Shadowfury is great way to create distance or maintain distance. So is death coil, fear, and pets! I typically start with a shadowfury, then I either move away from him while casting corruption/Curse of Agony/CoE on him OR I will cast a fear. I usually fear which gives me time to nuke him down. Nuking is always immolate, chaosbolt, conflag...at this point it is either re-fear or move to keep that distance. Try to buy time for shadowfury to come off cooldown. If you dont have your portal down then first use your distance to cast it down and then move away. Portal is a huge life saver. Bubble is annoying and so are his wings. If he uses either one I portal away and run...I let the time expire on his spells and I use that time to set up again like dropping another portal or even casting a healthstone if I dont have one up. You said you have trouble with him dispelling immolate; this can be a problem so I found when fighting dispellers to just conflag right after I immolate. Might as well right! Chaosbolt is an amazing spell cause the sucker always crits or at least hits harder then most spells. Your pet can be very important too. The succi is the perfect counter to the dispellers because they typically will remove your dots. Well that works out for the succi so your own dots dont bring the pally out of her suduce. Use the succi to suduce and get maximum distance. Nuke and re-suduce! works great. Void is great here too because when the pally finally does close in on you you can pop shield. this shield gives you time to cast fear, nuke, or whatever. Fel puppy is also a charm becasue it can eat the buffs or debuffs on him or you and it also cancels any spell with a cast time like a heal. Take full advantage of them. Even the imp has its uses. It sits back and casts fire balls all day. If the pally decides to go kill it, at least it helps you create distance. Other things to consider. I will always trinket out of his Hammer of justice stun. The other stun breaks off after being hit. Keep your pet on him...no matter which it is only helps dps and you could always resummon too...asuming you got points into fel domination which most destro locks do now. You should always have a healthstone up, if you dont then you got something to work on...maybe even a healthstone...why not right. Certain gliffs like the shadowflame gliff can help too by limiting their movment speed. Casting that on them right before you port is a great way to create time and maintain distance. Wooo, im done now! Hope that helped. I love dueling ret pallies or fighting them in arena or bgs because I can do so well against them. Good luck to you! |
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September 05, 2009, 09:56 PM
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Meankeb 80 Human Warlock Khaz Modan US PvE Guild: Virtue Profile: Blizzard Armory Talent Spec: 0/13/58 |
Re: Pvp help
I'm sitting in about 900 resilience, and I can honestly say, even though portal helps, in BG's, warlocks can't compete with Retribution paladins in equivalent gear. Assuming you're in your BG (and conquest badge) gear, you're in full Deadly with Furious fill-ins. I've stacked full Stamina, and am using +32 Stam/+10% Stun Resist meta, and I still come up about 4K less health against a Retribution pally with fully health. Tack on 8K for my Voidwalker, and it doesn't cancel out the fact that they can bubble/Holy Light. You basically have to kill a Retribution paladin twice...problem is when you come back with your SS, you're not a full life. Our raid retribution pallies are wrecking raid damage right now in ToC (which was unexpected), and they're topping out the BG's I see them in (mostly because they die once for about every 7-8 kills they get). Fundamental problem with Chaos Bolt is that it doesn't bypass the bubble. IMO, it should have done what it said; blow through bubble, mage's ice block...not just through priest shield and rogue cloak of shadows. |
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September 05, 2009, 10:41 PM
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Shadowbomber 80 Undead Warlock Crushridge US PvP Guild: I Break for Gnomes Talent Spec: 0/17/54 |
Re: Pvp help
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Your right though, a good pally in equal gear can be tough. I tend to use my succi on them...Maximum distance + time to cast = dead pally. |
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September 07, 2009, 10:16 AM
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Re: Pvp help
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Chaosbolt was and actually is intended to go through Absorptioneffects like Shadowward, Cloak of Shadows and Priest Shields. The key for killing a Retripaladin is, like Shadowbomb writes: Keep Distance. A Warlock cannot reach Health like a Retripaladin or a Warrior. Watch the link I posted above, it really help though: Look about 22-23k HP, 800 Resilience and Spellpenetration (I've only 95 actually, cause I hadn't enough time in the past to play). Then go for Spellpower. If you play against Retris the Void is the wrong pet. 8k damage is nothing to a Ret and it won't help ya to survive much longer. I'm playing Affliction and I always use the Felhunter so I can dispell Hammer or Repentance with luck and get rid of Debuffs or counter his Heals or precounter actions like Hammer, depending on situation. The Key is kiting. Make im Blow his Cooldowns fast so he can't use them if it's dangerous. An Example: I meet a Retri at stables in Arathi. My first move is using CoEX and get distance while trying to dot him up. Now he has three options: a) Being kited by me which will give him much damage b) Using a Stun to stop me which can be dispelled or trinketed c) Using Hand of Freedome Try to get an early Fear if you have range and then dot him up. Use Searing Pain and force him to heal and bubble if ready. Now get distance and wait for him coming. Don't forget to place a circle. Now you have to survive which should be easy with Port and GS. When his Bubble is gone, Fear DR is gone so Fear him Again, dot him up. You can use a Haunt + Deathcoil Comb to to highdmg and using Drainlive or Drainsoul depending on his health. Interupt his Heal and Retri is killed. This kind of situation depending Reaction is called "experience" btw. It's very important 'cause if you know the options of your opponent, you can try to force him in situations where is reaction can be calculated. Now try how Shadowbomb says and use his tipps for Destru and kill the Retri. ^^ of 'course in highranking players know this as well and it becomes harder to do so, but for beginning this is a nice way to do it. |
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September 07, 2009, 06:38 PM
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Shadowbomber 80 Undead Warlock Crushridge US PvP Guild: I Break for Gnomes Talent Spec: 0/17/54 |
Re: Pvp help
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Your aff tips were good ones too.
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September 08, 2009, 03:59 AM
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Hoppy 80 Human Warlock Ghostlands Euro PvE Guild: T N T Profile: Blizzard Armory Talent Spec: 0/13/58 |
Re: Pvp help
Hi I am a complete new comer to PvP and in our guild we have set up a 5v5 arena team (just for laughs) but I actually want to be of use. I have read the posts here and watched most of the video (will watch the rest tonight). I have Deadly gladiators cowl, amice and rainment (had quite a few badges left over) and hateful handwraps and titan forge slippers of dominance. My resilience is quite low still on 427...but better than the ) i had before!! I guess my question is I am looking for a spec that is suitable for 5v5 (like I say complete noob when it comes to pvp) and some pointers. Any help/replys greatly appreciated
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September 08, 2009, 08:51 AM
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Re: Pvp help
Hi Longsoxs, the first thing to say is, that the specc only deals equal with the player who can handle it. I call myself an... well, lets say I'm a good afflictionlock but I'm possibly dreadful at being a destruction warlock (never interested in this kind of specc though). So, the first thing you have to do is: Play both speccs and try out which ones possibly the best for you (I bet it'll be destru btw ^^). Now, you can sucessfully play affliction and destruction in 5v5 so you should look what setup you get for your 5v5 and possibly switch the specc so it can be more useful. Now, you are a complete new one in PvP. I don't know if you are a new one to the warlock too 'cause if you are not it will possibly be helpful to use the specc you are used to in PvE (of course modified for PvP) so it will be easier for you 'cause you know the abilities (even if you won't know all possible functions for PvP). The video from Zukuu shows it and I wrote it down in my comment back there. One sentence: Know your enemy. If you know what your enemys can do to you and what abilities they have, you can work out how to counter these abilities. The next thing: Play! Play Battlegrounds and Duels and ask your opponents what to do better. Thats the way you will improve. Playing directly Arena and being zerged down won't help you. And look for videos which can help. Zukuus Destruction Duel Guide is one of them. When you gained a little bit experience and you have questions, ask your teammates or other warlocks like us. And: Never give up. They say destruction is a little bit overpowered actually... well, possibly in the hands of a pro but not in everyones hands. You'll have to pay and suffer by learning to play a new class and playing pvp generally. If you're looking for an easy way, play Retributionpaladin or Armswarrior. |
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