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October 11, 2009, 01:48 PM
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Arena 2s help?
Hi first timer here - I found this site on the request of my 2s partner, who said "you need to do something different". I am 0/20/51 Des speced and my partner is a BM (55/16/0) hunter. We maxed out at 725 rating, but now we get our butts handed to us pretty much every match (we went 2-8 the last 10) and it's looking like we'll never reach 800 for our first rated piece. I am dying pretty much instantly now, getting off my death coil and not much more. My gear is not great, but even so I'm thinking I shouldn't be this bad. My partner thinks it's my spec, that Des is no good if you're dying within seconds every match - kind of hard to argue with that. Do people here agree? Should I change specs? If so Dem or Afl? I was tempted to try the Dem so I can use the VW shield and live longer. But I am open to any suggestions. Much appreciated, ~Chumpchange (Garithos server) |
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October 11, 2009, 02:10 PM
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Merlins 80 Human Warlock Icecrown US PvE Profile: Blizzard Armory Talent Spec: 0/20/51 |
Re: Arena 2s help?
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Hunter/Lock 2 dps isn't exactly a solid comp but you should still be able to get decently up there with it. I'd need a little more detail about what is going on during these matches to help more. Neither of you should be getting sapped, so I'm not sure what's happening that you can't both peel. Might want to give the 0/55/16 spec a shot. Meta will give you a bit of extra survivability if melee is just wrecking you. Also, make sure you're making good use of your portal. Drop it out of los in 2s (Behind the boxes in Dalaran, or behind a pillar in Nagrand, etc. Against Warriors, save the port for when they pop bladestorm so you don't take insane damage. |
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October 11, 2009, 03:24 PM
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Re: Arena 2s help?
I think pretty much any compo should be able to reach 1000 rating. watch this guys video, it taught me a lot about pvp'ing as destro lock. If you're dying too fast you're probably not good enough with your cc.
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October 12, 2009, 02:12 AM
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Re: Arena 2s help?
this kinda looks like what i was going through a month ago. This is my first arena season and my first two partners were a DK and a Rogue in that order. Trust me......teams simply dont care who your partner is- in case of a double dps. they will come after you every single time and you will die. I could not get past a 800 rating and I partnered with a healer - resto druid. Of course matches are much longer but slowly we are winning more and more matches every week. now we are at 1185 which is not great but we are improving every week. I dont use addons or keybinds or macros. So basically I am an amateur clicker at arena pvp. What i noticed when doing arenas with double dps is communication and crowd control and managing trinkets makes all the difference. But try with a resto shammy or druid or may be a disc priest and you will notice a big difference. Plus you can sacrifice some resilience for more crit and spellpower which makes an awful lot of difference for destro locks. If you cannot burn one person down soon enough it becomes a mana war and I was never able to win a manawar. good luck. |
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October 12, 2009, 07:16 AM
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Facerollz 80 Blood Elf Warlock Kazzak Euro PvP Guild: Second to None Talent Spec: 3/13/55 |
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Chump: I know it's mandatory, but I'm gonna mention it anyways, always make sure to make a healthstone for you and your partner! As dual DPS you want as much survivability as possible. Remember putting Soul-Link on again, when you re-summon your pet. Communication with your partner is very important, for instance, disabling a healer over several CC-effects will aquire coordination from you and your partner - if the healer even get's a few heals off, alot of the effort is lost. CC'ing the enemy isen't the only way to put pressure on an opponent - The Destruction nuke-chain is feared amongst many in Azeroth. For instance, in a 1on1 duel, you can start off with Seduction, then start casting Soulfire, Then seduce again, and Soulfire a second time, Immolate, Shadowfury (stun), Conflagrate, Death-Coil, Incinerate, Fear, Incinerate, Incinerate. - Ofc. your opponent has a trinket and what not, but it was just to give an example to how you can disable your opponent over an extended period of time, damaging the opponent, while also disabling/intervening the opponent is key. If you want to take down a healer solehandedly, then you can't simply out DPS his heals, his HPS will most likely be higher than your DPS, so you need to make use of your utilities - You have a whole arsenal of spells, use the ones that compliment eachother. I know this is all basic stuff, but I can't understand that you've got this low rating if you have your basic's right. I actually started my first 2v2 Arena team on my Warlock yesterday, and we're on 960 rating, still rising. Good luck Chump |
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October 13, 2009, 03:37 PM
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Re: Arena 2s help?
Thanks for all the responses guys. Merlin: Yes, I'm running the Suc to start, but if I see two casters to start I switch over to the hound for the spell lock. Is that a bad idea? My hunter is putting traps down and then going all out on whoever we decide to FF first. At the risk of sounding newbish, what exactly do you mean by "setting up a seduce"? Using a macro? I usually send her off on a designated player and then concentrate on my dps spells. I'm guessing that's a mistake and I should be manually controlling her seduce more? Thank you for the reminder on the portal, I haven't been using it very much, but I will now. Can you (or anyone else) give me the exact progression of spells I should be casting at the start? (I'm assuming that will depend on the class I'm targeting?) Oh and what does "dr" stand for? D1RE: Thanks for the vid, I'll watch it here in a bit. And yeah, after reading the responses I'm thinking it's me, not my spec. Karikalan: I'd love to repartner with a healer, but the hunter in question is my wife :D And again, I'm thinking it's me not knowing how to play my class more than my partner, we'll see. I've heard that hunters got way over-nerferd and now are one of the weakest PVP classes, is that what everyone is hearing too? Heatbabz: yes, i ALWAYS make HSs for us, but that just seems to keep us alive for 1 sec longer than if we weren't using them, rarely does it seem to win a game for us. Good tip about remembering to re-SL though, I think that's something I'm forgetting. Thanks for the nuke-chain, I will try that out that progression. And to all of you: PLEASE don't think any tip is too "basic", assume I don't know it! I'm def a newb, so any and all tips are much appreciated Thanks all! `chump |
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October 13, 2009, 04:32 PM
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Merlins 80 Human Warlock Icecrown US PvE Profile: Blizzard Armory Talent Spec: 0/20/51 |
Re: Arena 2s help?
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I'd probably just stick with the Succubus out. Most mages are going to run with Mage Armor up, so you'll want to go for kills on them while ccing their partner (Usually a rogue, lock, or priest). Your hunter partner should be able to do a lot of damage to a Mage. If a rogue opens on you, be ready to seduce him right away. If you need to, tele out asap. Against warrior team though, always save the port for Bladestorm. This is my personal all in one pet macro: /cast [pet:succubus,target=focus,harm]Seduction;[pet:succubus]Seduction; [pet:felguard, target=focus,harm]Intercept; [pet:felguard]Intercept; [pet:voidwalker]Sacrifice; [target=Player's Name] Devour Magic If you don't have a focus, it'll Seduce your target and if you set a focus, it'll seduce that target. I manually seduce every thing. It gives you a lot more control over every thing. Against Healer/X dps teams, you'll want to open on the dps (Try to lure them away from their healer) and then Seduce the Healer while you blow up the dps. Make sure you don't start Seducing the Healer too soon though or DR will be up fast. Dr = Diminishing Returns. Basically, every time a cc ends, the next one is cut in half. By the 4th time you've used it, they become immune to that CC and you have to wait 15 seconds before you can use that cc on them again. Feel free to check out my guide on the Den here: PvP Guide I go over a lot of the basics and have some other macros/tips that might interest you. Have fun! |
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October 13, 2009, 07:37 PM
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Re: Arena 2s help?
Thanks Merlin! I'll let you know how this week goes :-) Also, corresponded with a buddy today and he wrote "looks like the best arena spec going now is AFL" any truth to that? |
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October 13, 2009, 07:45 PM
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Merlins 80 Human Warlock Icecrown US PvE Profile: Blizzard Armory Talent Spec: 0/20/51 |
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Affliction isn't as great in a 2 dps setup though, especially a comp like you're running. For your comp, you're better off with your spec or a 0/55/16 Demonology spec (If you're having a problem surviving melee).
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October 14, 2009, 04:40 PM
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thanks, `chump |
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