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November 03, 2009, 12:11 PM
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rogue/kitty = ouch
Sap my healer, unleash on me, trinket out of my howl, blind the healer who was forced to trinket, finish me off. That's the toughest combo I've seen so far. Instead of howl, I think I'll try portal next time....assuming I can get far enough away from it after placing it before they unleash on me. Hopefully surviving that initial onslaught and creating some distance might give us a snowball's chance. Contemplated bringing out VW for double stealthers instead of felpup, but more often than not the druid is actually resto. Maybe slow summon the VW, sac, and fast summon felpup if that turns out to be the case. Anyone have any success with this combo? So much to learn as this is only my first full season of arena play. Thanks in advance. |
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November 03, 2009, 12:53 PM
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Pernicious 80 Blood Elf Warlock Dark Iron US PvP Guild: Allmacht Profile: Blizzard Armory Talent Spec: 0/13/58 |
Re: rogue/kitty = ouch
I used to do Arena a lot, but really haven't touched it since I switched to playing Horde. So that in mind, my thoughts on this should be considered theoretical and untested. Resto Druids should either be CC'd or Banished if in Tree Form. Since you're a Blood Elf, remember that your Arcane Torrent can Silence. If you can get close to the healer to use it, you can interrupt them and keep them CC'd. Rogues are still rather difficult, especially with Stun Lock. If you have a good partner, they can help bail you out between heals (priest fear/bubble | Shaman Hex | Druid Root/whirlwind | Paladin stuns/bubbles). Once you're free and have some distance, you can begin nuking/fearing and doing everything you can to bring it down while keeping his healer in the dark. Easier said than done though. For double melee groups, the VW shield is fantastic. It's saved me from quite a few PvP situations, especially when you've glyphed it.
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November 03, 2009, 01:11 PM
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Re: rogue/kitty = ouch
Thanks for replying, Pernicious. Rogue / healer we do fine against. My partner is an exceptional healer which gives me lots of freedom to just dps, fear and mana drain. It's the feral druid / rogue combo that really slammed us this week (and we faced the same team twice in 3 games). Between the rogues stuns and the druid stun I really only had a quick second after trinketing to cast one spell. In this case i chose howl of terror which appears not to have been wise. With my healer locked down with sap and blind it seemed really up to me to save myself somehow to survive that initial burst, so that's why I'm thinking portal, along with the VW. [edit] My healer is a shaman, I'm affliction. And I also forgot that with the kitty going berserk at the start I can't fear him anyway. All the more reason to teleport the flock out of there I spose. Last edited by Brook; November 03, 2009 at 01:14 PM.. |
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November 03, 2009, 01:15 PM
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Re: rogue/kitty = ouch
There is my strat to survive a bit and maybe kill really poor team. Have your healer stay close to you portal and you await from him. When he's sapped, wait a bit and then teleport, wait a bit and then howl, with some chances they're gonna be feared and your healer will be close to come out of sap. Gain some distance from your healer to avoid the blind on him with you close to the rogue. Rogue / dps is a tough combo but if you survive the initial burst, you have some chance. After the initial burst I usually get my back against a wall and try to burst him. But against good rogue, I can't really do nothing. You can wait until he does a big move to fear, so he will have not enough energy to kick, but you have to be timed. |
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November 03, 2009, 01:38 PM
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Supernex 80 Gnome Warlock Drak'thul US PvP Guild: Epic Drops Profile: Blizzard Armory Talent Spec: 0/20/51 |
Re: rogue/kitty = ouch
Brook, when you are up against a double stealther team, I would recommend you summon the Succubus instead of the Fel Pup, (whether you slow summon the VW for Sac or not is up to you). Seduce will help greatly against rogues more-so than any other pet. ------------------ (I posted this a while back, but perhaps you could glean some info from it.) ------------------ I play a Rogue, DK and my Warlock. This is how I would rate the PVP pets on each of these toons... As a Warlock (Destro): #1 - Succubus (useful against most classes) #2 - Fel Hunter (useful against many classes) #3 - VW (bubble is nice, but no substitute for Seduce against melee - unless running flag in BG's, IMO) As a Warlock (Affliction): #1 - Fel Hunter (has better synergy with Affliction's playstyle IMO, I use the FH 99.9% as Affliction) #2 & 3 - Succubus or VW are about equal IMO...) TIE As a Warlock (Demo): #1 - Felguard...need I say more? As a Rogue (vs. Warlock): #1 - Succubus (easiest to kill, yes, but without a doubt the best demon against Rogues if used properly.) #2 - VW (Sacrifice is nice, but it really isn't all that big of an obstacle when compared to Seduce.) #3 - Fel Hunter (useless...) As a DK (vs. Warlock): #1 & 2 - Probably a toss up between the Fel Hunter and Succubus...somewhat depends on spec. If I spec Lichborne it diminishes the impact of Seduce significantly as I can usually down the Warlock in the duration of a Strangulate and Lichborne. #3 - VW (Again, Sacrifice while a decent damage mitigator, really should only take 2 globals max to take down, so it doesn't really make a HUGE difference in the fight against a Warlock, IMO. I have crit for close to 10k with Scourge Strike (Unholy), Frost Strike (Frost) and Obliterate (Frost or Blood) in PVP against at least partially Hateful geared players, so figure 1 crit Strike to take down the bubble if not talented, 2 globals if talented.) I could break down the advantages/disadvantages to specifics/tactics/team comps (arena), but for now this should suffice for a generality. **NOTE: The only real situation where I would prefer the VW to any other pet would be against a Feral Druid. Warriors, Rogues, and Paladins I would MUCH prefer a Succubus, and a DK I would prefer either a Succubus or Fel Hunter.
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November 15, 2009, 12:57 PM
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Re: rogue/kitty = ouch
Nonono, affliction = fh/vw. and NEVER use succubus, NEVER. affliction puts 123 (cor, ua, Curse of Agony) on OTar and 12345 (+haunt, drain life) on MTar. that's how you play affliction in 2s. Affliction must damage all enemies he can, because he can't burst (when target health>25%). If you see double damage as affliction, it's voidwalker and only voidwalker. Sacrifice as much as you can, because warlock is surely the first thing they will kill. Always use Demon Armor against melee setups, btw, it's better to start with it, because casting Fel armor when arena starts costs less mana than Demon. So 1) Demon armor 2) sacrifice/summon new 3) portal 4) VW consume shadows and try to stay near some corner with your back against the wall or on the edge of BE arena for example. There is a good macro for casting something on the first target you see ASAP without having to target it, see it here: Destruction Duel-Guide by zUkUu By zUkUu - World of Warcraft Movies 5) trinket out of the second stun they use and portal away, corruption on both while running away from them, Curse of Agony on both. In any case, healer MUST trinket out of blind and not sap. These steps will get you to safety if you have enough res and your shaman puts earth shield on you. (and he should do it in any case) p.s. it's better to coil druids than rogues. |
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