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June 11, 2010, 07:18 AM

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heathisrae

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Re: How the hell do I down a Tree Life druid?

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Originally Posted by Screech

You can banish a Tree Life druid? ;o

I didn't know that...

yes, but like they said, 1on1 banish does very little to a druid except innervate/let some of his DoTs tick without healing him. you can also do it to lifetap and bandage.

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June 11, 2010, 12:22 PM	#12 (permalink)
Velsh Character Info Velsharoon 80 Human Warlock Bronze Dragonflight Euro PvE	Re: How the hell do I down a Tree Life druid? I was under the impression that Howl was on a different DR to fear ... at least that's what I remember from the TotC champs fight ... I knew that Death Coil was seperate ... but is the DR on fear and howl shared?

June 11, 2010, 01:04 PM	#13 (permalink)
Malasada Character Info Malasada 80 Undead Warlock Trollbane US PvE Guild: Tribute	Re: How the hell do I down a Tree Life druid? Great responses, I'll add one note: I usually tried to wait for a Nightfall proc once he's low then chain a Haunt - SB - Deathcoil "burst" together (maybe followed by a fear to give your DoTs more time to finish him off and/or Drain Soul or Searing Pain).

June 11, 2010, 01:51 PM

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heathisrae

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Re: How the hell do I down a Tree Life druid?

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Originally Posted by Velsh

I was under the impression that Howl was on a different DR to fear ... at least that's what I remember from the TotC champs fight ... I knew that Death Coil was seperate ... but is the DR on fear and howl shared?

HoT and Fear are both fear effects...same DR
Deathcoil is a horror effect...different DR (also pierces Fear Ward)

June 11, 2010, 02:07 PM

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Screech

Re: How the hell do I down a Tree Life druid?

Thanks for the reply, xenon, it was extremely helpful

But I do have some follow-up questions if you dont mind

1. What is Shadow Embrace? Is it a talent or something? I'm not sure if I have it then. Also, can you explain this in more in-depth:

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Our Shadow embrace has a unique MS (mortal strike) against HoTs (healing over time spells)

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We are one of the few classes in the game that can maintain pressure on them through cyclone. We do this through DoTs and Felpuppy.

In felpuppy I assume you mean felhunter? Also, what is cyclone? Is it somekind of immune spell like shadow priest's Dispersion? How should the pressure be aligned, is there any special way to use the DoTs(e.g. one dot should be placed first or last etc) and the pet's spell lock in combination?

3. What is 'nightfall procs'?

4. And what is innervate? Is it somekind of manarestoring skill? How does it work and how should I counter it? Is it channable or is it a sort of 3-4 second cast and then they get (whatever you get from the spell) it instantly? You also mentioned HoT(healing over time?) in this context how do they fit in into this and how should I handle the two?

Cheers so far for the replies. Big up for helping a newb

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Originally Posted by heathisrae

HoT and Fear are both fear effects...same DR
Deathcoil is a horror effect...different DR (also pierces Fear Ward)

If you read the three spells' description carefully you'll notice that Fear is explained as 'fleeing in fear'. Howl of Terror is described - as one might expect from the name - as 'fleeing in terror' and Death Coil is described as 'fleeing in horror'. So all three have different words describing the trauma the victim feels. If DC is on another DR with a description that says 'horror', are you 100 % sure that HoT that is described differently than Fear, is on the same DR?

I'm just asking :D

June 11, 2010, 02:31 PM

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heathisrae

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Re: How the hell do I down a Tree Life druid?

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Originally Posted by Screech

are you 100 % sure that HoT that is described differently than Fear, is on the same DR?

I'm just asking :D

Fear - Blind, Fear (Warlock), Howl of Terror, Intimidating Shout, Psychic Scream, Scare Beast, Seduction (Pet), Turn Evil

Horror - Death Coil, Psychic Horror

note that seduce, fear, and HoT are all on the same DR.

June 11, 2010, 08:32 PM

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Puhina

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Re: How the hell do I down a Tree Life druid?

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Originally Posted by Screech

1. What is Shadow Embrace? Is it a talent or something? I'm not sure if I have it then. Also, can you explain this in more in-depth:

Shadow Embrace. It's a talent in the affliction tree. This is a pretty common affli pvp spec. It's in the fifth tier.

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Originally Posted by Screech

2. In felpuppy I assume you mean felhunter? Also, what is cyclone?

Felpuppy = felhunter yes. Cyclone is a druid ability. You can't do anything while in cyclone (except use pvp-trinket to get out of it) but you won't be taking any damage either. Shadow priest's Dispersion doesn't actually grant the priest immunity, it just reduces the damage taken by the priest by 90% and restores mana. The priest themselves are unable to do anything while dispersed, but Dispersion is a defensive ability while the cyclone is "offensive". Meaning that the priest gains dispersion himself while the druid uses cyclone on an enemy. And maintaining pressure through cyclone refers to our dots that do damage even when we're in cyclone and unable to perform any actions.

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Originally Posted by Screech

3. What is 'nightfall procs'?

Again, a talent in the affliction tree. Your corruption ticks have a chance to give you a Nightfall buff that grants you one instant Shadow Bolt.

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Originally Posted by Screech

4. And what is innervate? Is it somekind of manarestoring skill? How does it work and how should I counter it?

Innervate grants the druid ~7.8k-9.4k mana over 10 seconds. It's an instant cast. I think Xenon already mentioned that you should try to use your Felhunter's Devour Magic on the druid to dispel Innervate (though it probably won't devour the right buff if the druid's got hots on them). And that if the druid's in tree form you can banish him to prevent gaining mana from innervate. And he also told that you simply just drain his mana again after Innervate if you can't prevent the mana gain.

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If DC is on another DR with a description that says 'horror', are you 100 % sure that HoT that is described differently than Fear, is on the same DR?

Never trust the in-game tooltips. The wowwiki link I provided tells you exactly which CC belongs to which DR group.

June 12, 2010, 01:56 AM	#18 (permalink)
Screech	Re: How the hell do I down a Tree Life druid? Thanks for the clarifications (and the new affliction spec you gave me), Puhina! I'm particularly interested in the removal of Improved Curse of Agony of that spec you gave me. Naturally, this implies that people feel it's too weak to be improved(or perhaps even used). Have you used that build yourself at some point? If so, how did you setup your typical rotation, do you use at all Curse of Agony and if not: what did you use instead? And why do you use 56/0/15 now instead? I, myself, don't have nightfall so I suppose one difference would be in the use of Shadowbolt. I use the four dots(Corr, Curse of Agony, Haunt and UA, in that order. I might use CoEx or CoT instead of Curse of Agony in some situations) and then I either fear, and/or use SB as an occasional filler but not as an instant bolt. Also, I, at times, drain life/mana instead. Here's my build: Talent Calculator - World of Warcraft Would you - and anyone who's experienced too - like to critique it? Thanks for the help guys so far :D Last edited by Screech; June 12, 2010 at 02:01 AM..

June 12, 2010, 05:46 AM

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xenon12

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Re: How the hell do I down a Tree Life druid?

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Originally Posted by Screech

I'm particularly interested in the removal of Improved Curse of Agony of that spec you gave me. Naturally, this implies that people feel it's too weak to be improved(or perhaps even used). Have you used that build yourself at some point? If so, how did you setup your typical rotation, do you use at all Curse of Agony and if not: what did you use instead? And why do you use 56/0/15 now instead?

Sorry i've been away at an exam so didn't manage to answer your previous post, someone else did a great job though so nothing really to add there.

Curse of Agony doesn't really do enough damamge to warrent 2 additional talent points in PvP on top of that you will regularly be cycling through curses in a PvP environment, for example CoT to slow a mage from casting then CoEx when he trys to run away etc. This means Agony is never normally on long enough to tick for its full duration. If you read the toop tip you'll notice Agony does more damage the nearer it is to expiring hence why in PvE you never clip it. In PvP though it will rarely go for a full duration therefore will never really do its big damage.

Urr the only thing I disagree with the OP is the spec they've given you! The snare after Fear is a waste if you take CoEx as well. Just Fear a target then apply CoEx, sure it uses an additional global cool down but it's a much bigger slow and lasts a much longer duration. The addition hit rating is much better as it means you can take the haste rating Wrathful cloack instead of the hit rating one. More haste more damage. On a side not aim for about 5.8-6% hit rating in PvP (thats with no space goat or Moonkin in your group).
Spec like this

Talent Calculator - World of Warcraft

You'll notice those glyphs are survivability based as I assue as your a new player you'll prefer that. Once you get better trade them out for:

Talent Calculator - World of Warcraft

The Shadowflam snare is just amnomnmnom for messing with melee if you can't get a CoEx on them fast enough as well as 70% means they're pretty much static

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Originally Posted by Screech

I, myself, don't have nightfall so I suppose one difference would be in the use of Shadowbolt. I use the four dots(Corr, Curse of Agony, Haunt and UA, in that order. I might use CoEx or CoT instead of Curse of Agony in some situations) and then I either fear, and/or use SB as an occasional filler but not as an instant bolt. Also, I, at times, drain life/mana instead.

Not having Nightfall is bad, follow my spec above and the rotation on previous post on the first page.

Use either Searing Pain or Drain Life as your filler. Depends on if the opposition team is being very offensive with Counterspells. You never ever want your shadow school of spell to get locked as affliction as it effectivly completely takes you out the game for 8 seconds and make you very easy to kill. Searing Pain is a good filler as its fire school so doesn't matter if t gets locked. I'd advise though once the Mage or opposition Warlock uses Spell Lock or Counterspell to switch to Drain Life as a filler as it does more damage and heals you.

Keep the questions coming, we're all happy to answer them

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