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February 20, 2011, 08:03 PM
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Ret pallies
Hey all, with the recent patch came many changes. We lost mana drain unfortunately, and arms warriors were heavily nerfed. However one class that changed a lot was ret pallies. Pre-patch a ret pally was a free HK, but now I can't seem to touch them. When dueling a well-geared ret pally, there is not point where i fail "safe". Im running as destro w/ imp, so i can get out of HoJ whenever i need to, but if the ret pally catches me without any escape mechanics left, im done. They seem to be able to burst my 2600 resilience character from 100% to dead in just a few seconds. every fight, i blow most of my cd's and escape mechanics, get them to around 40% it seems, then when i have nothing left, out of no where, I'm dead. What tactics do you guys use to fight ret pallies? btw, i am using Curse of weakness and nether ward, but it is definitely not enough. |
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February 21, 2011, 09:31 AM
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Re: Ret pallies
Retri pallys give you a hard time?? Nooo way!  Pally's for me is free food for a honourable kill. I really had hard time to face them as an affliction but now as Destro and Succi I'm laughing with them, same also with death knights. I give them a corruption with love and trying ALL the time to be out of their reach by using Shadowfury and the abilities of my kinky succubus.  But that's not enough you will always have to run around them and spamming all the time Fel Flame. The only disadvantage is that this fight will take about 2 or 3 min and you must hope that no one else will assist him. |
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February 21, 2011, 10:58 AM
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Neehye 85 Gnome Warlock Crushridge US PvP Guild: Critz Savez Livez Talent Tree: Affliction |
Re: Ret pallies
Haven't 1 on 1 with ret pally since the patch. Only fought me against them + two others. I got owned, or I'd be giving advice. I took it since they were group ganking that they still suck though. |
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February 21, 2011, 12:47 PM
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Character Info
Shagina 90 Human Warlock Grim Batol Euro PvP Profile: Blizzard Armory Talent Tree: Destruction |
Re: Ret pallies
They definitely got damage now, but you can deal with them the same way you always could, by kiting. They got n oreal gap closers, only a stun, a disorient and freedom. Trinket hammer, howl/dc after repent and sb:teleport the HoF. After that you can just kill him from a distance.
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February 21, 2011, 01:33 PM
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Hellheimer 85 Goblin Warlock SkullCrusher US PvP Guild: Legion Talent Tree: Destruction |
Re: Ret pallies
Well I actually have a PvP partner who has picked up Ret now. He says it is OP. You can try to kite them around but with 30+ Yards on their Judgements+Hands of freedom they will easily keep you in range with whatever new talent they have to boost their speed. Another fact is that it doesn't matter how long you kite them around if you can't kill them. Zealotry+Crusader Strike into Word of Glory means 20 secods of being able to heal themselves for 45K hp. You'll Oom eventually and end up life tappng yourself to death. I've dueled my friend loads like 50 times+ The end result when he was in Prot (Pre 4.0.6) I kited him like it was my job. Him now as ret (post 4.0.6) Within 3 global cool downs he essentially vaporizes my HP to half. Stuns+Rebuke, if I kite him around a bit he eventually closes the gap with a stun, if I drop his HP he will stun me+Zealotry+Crusader strike+Word of Glory and tada I have 1/2 my HP he is full or close to it and the fight restarts with me at a disadvantage. It's not impossible to beat them but it is definitely a lot more difficult now. |
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February 21, 2011, 01:40 PM
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Re: Ret pallies
I can't really help you as destro, but they are still a joke as affl. Use your 87 kiting tools, and if they get close and you have no out - silence them and take away half their burst. Also, keep in mind that when they are healing, they do VERY little damage because they waste combo points. Also, if they cant get close and crusader strike, they cant build points for their big finisher, so even if they have ranged abilities, its not that much honestly. Spam devour them from the start and hopefully you can steal their freedom as well |
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February 21, 2011, 02:35 PM
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Character Info
Hellheimer 85 Goblin Warlock SkullCrusher US PvP Guild: Legion Talent Tree: Destruction |
Re: Ret pallies
Actually. with Zealotry up they can do plenty of damage. In fact if you duel one they'll probably Repent you (stun) Zealotry, Crusader strike, Divine Strom (Whatever the big Holy power one is) Crusader strike you again and have 3 Holy Power to do what they please with. You can try to kite them but with HoF+ talent that lets their judgements l let them move towards you very quickly. Then they can cleanse themselves and when you try to get a fear off or Haunt or UA they will Rebuke you. Then of course Turn Evil on your pet making them useless for 8 seconds. Essentially demolishing you in the process. Perhaps they'll just kill your pet and force to to blow a CD to bring them back. If worse comes to Worse they will pop their immunity making you completely ineffective against them for 12 seconds. All the while they have no need to damage you because all they wanna do is fear your pet again and pop a few quick heals. I mean if a retadin is smart you won't have a chance. I tell you now that Im not an aff fan for PvP. Do I think it is comperative to people flocking to destro for PvE? Yeah actually I do, but like there are people (like me) who have always been destro. I know there are people have always been aff so I'll leave that to that. It's not help that I'm looking for, I'm simply giving you a point of view. Just because you've been eating retadins for breakfast lately doesn't mean they were good. As we all know Blizz doesn't give a rats ass about duels (1v1s) so beating someone there doesn't mean you will in a 2v2 and above. We all win some and lose some,but: Straight from the horses mouth, a pally who has been one since vanilla " Retadins if they have half a thought in their brain as to what they have available to them since 4.0.6 they will be raping faces everywhere". |
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February 21, 2011, 07:57 PM
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Re: Ret pallies
I can tell you I've played against good and bad palladins and I have no trouble with it. If you don't play affl, then you can't say that they should destroy me. They pop zealotry? Fine, felhunter silence. They repent? Big deal, the second they hit me, it breaks, i port and coe. They want to freedom then? That's ok too, as i already am gaining health back passively from the dots I've put up, fel armor, and I already have distance on him. I'm not saying they don't put out pressure, but this lost cause mentallity has me puzzled. Maybe as destro that's true, but a pally CANNOT remove a curse, so outside of freedom you can leave them 30% slow the ENTIRE match with coe - and tthat is the cats pajamas baby. |
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February 22, 2011, 06:10 AM
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Tetraz 80 Blood Elf Warlock Mazrigos Euro PvP |
Re: Ret pallies
well hand of freedom removes snares. bubble also does i think. |
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February 22, 2011, 08:31 AM
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Hellheimer 85 Goblin Warlock SkullCrusher US PvP Guild: Legion Talent Tree: Destruction |
Re: Ret pallies
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I don't play aff because it doesn't suit my playstyle. I think we can all agree "Keeping up with the Joneses" is bad what with flocking to a certain spec for PvE same should hold true with PvP. Either way there's no need to argue. And any of our specs should have an equal opportunity at beating any other class. That's what balance is isn't it? And CoE is fine HoF will remove the slow though (I believe if it doesn't than whoo). And there is no lost cause mentality. It's a reality check in the fact that we all need to realize what they are capable of. A side note it would sound as though retadins against you are dumping their Holy Power into Templar's Verdict trying to kill you quickly. What they can do is simply drop 3 Holy Power into Word of Glory (Which if specced properly they have a 30% chance NOT to consume Holy Power while doing this) that is the point I am trying to get at. Word of Glory is instant, they can pop it almost like a lay on hands without the 10 minute CD. They need 3 Holy Power to use Zealotry but depending on their mastery an auto swing will give them a chance to make any ability that uses Holy Power consume none. In a 1v1 you may have the tools to beat them. I either do not because I'm destro and have no "passive" HP. I need to always be casting something with current Fel Armor changes. It's not easy heh. But in a 2v2 or 3v3 what are you going to be doing when your main focus might not be the pally? |
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