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March 05, 2011, 02:16 PM	#21 (permalink)
Hellheimer Character Info Hellheimer 85 Goblin Warlock SkullCrusher US PvP Guild: Legion Talent Tree: Destruction	Re: 2v2 arena spec To specify what D1RE is referring to is Fel Armor no longer regenerates a percent of our HP passively. Currently it will give us 3% of our HP back for every single target damaging spell we cast. Specced into Demonic Ageis it ups it to 6% when we have 2/2 talent points in it. So essentially it normalized Affliction self heals but dumped on Destruction and Demonology. As well they removed Drain Mana from the game which was primarily a 2v2 spell to help counter heal/DPS teams. Go figure Blizz claims they center PvP around 3v3 and 5v5 but remove a spell that shows true benefit in 2's. The reason demonology is not as hurt as destruction in this case is because of (In my opinion) Meta-form is a nice big melee reduction cooldown. 600% more armor for 36 seconds means those big mean warriors/ DKs/ Rogues/ Hunters too...I think won't be hitting us as hard with their white swings. But because Destro and Demo generally rely on longish cast times (Demo more than destruction) and our DoTs are not as potent as affliction (I'm referring to Immolate, Bane of Agony and Corruption) compounded on the fact that most of demo and destros damage come from non periodic affects (yes a lot of DoT damage still of course is used but Affliction is literally all DoTs) Demo and Destro are more prone to having our self heals shut down through simply being stun locked. And did I almost forget the fact that all DoTs are simply a cleanse away from not being up on a target and all of a sudden the limited DoT healing we were recieving is now gone and we are stunned indefinately as our HP drops to nothing. That is what 4.0.6 did to lock 2v2s. EDIT: As well with the loss of suffecient self healing every life tap we use to try and regain some of that precious resource we call mana drops us closer to death so much so that a healer/DPS comp could probably sit there and wait for me to Oom and as I try to press my assualt by using life tap I end up being uber jumped and it all would start with my own hand. Last edited by Hellheimer; March 05, 2011 at 02:19 PM..

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March 05, 2011, 03:35 PM	#22 (permalink)
masky007 Character Info Maskirana 85 Undead Warlock Kazzak Euro PvP	Re: 2v2 arena spec so baisicly stun lockers train us very well in conjuction with shammy/druid healers

March 05, 2011, 04:45 PM

#23 (permalink)

Hellheimer

Character Info
Hellheimer
85 Goblin Warlock
SkullCrusher US PvP
Guild: Legion
Talent Tree: Destruction

Re: 2v2 arena spec

Quote:

Originally Posted by masky007

so baisicly stun lockers train us very well in conjuction with shammy/druid healers

Yeah pretty much that's what I've experienced and read.

March 05, 2011, 07:41 PM	#24 (permalink)
masky007 Character Info Maskirana 85 Undead Warlock Kazzak Euro PvP	Re: 2v2 arena spec well i guess druid healer with his roots/cyclone should cover the loss of the warlock nerf, i mean that's logicly. I never liked 3v3, 5v5 THE LEAST! How can blizzard make such a thing- and i looked everywhere for upcoming patches and no info is out.. the last released info from blizz for locks is that we will get our aoe dps buffed- so i guess they want us pretty much the way we are atm (haters). It seems blizzard gone lazy- 31 points to unlock talent tree - less time working on balancing talents reforging - less time balancing items mastery should have been designed in allot different way such us powering the spells you want to choose - lazy again not balancing 2v2? WOW so they force us to play 3v3 and i dont know why the f*** i pay them... Me and my team mate used to be high ranked players (2500+) back at the very begining - it was not balanced but at least they were trying :S anyways i still want to play LOCK and 2v2 with my friend- he has 2 options druid and shammy- he prefers shammy but now druid seems more needed? What do you think?

March 07, 2011, 06:09 AM	#25 (permalink)
Cribbage Character Info Cribbage 85 Human Warlock Azuremyst	Re: 2v2 arena spec I quite like reforging, and I'm not sure being forced to pick a primary talent tree is a bad thing either. In approach I actually think PvP in WoW is kinda going in the right direction. My only real gripe is around the detail of balance - locks need a slight buff in the destro and demos trees and mages and DKs need a signficant nerf.

March 07, 2011, 07:27 AM

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D1RE

Character Info
Shagina
90 Human Warlock
Grim Batol Euro PvP
Profile: Blizzard Armory
Talent Tree: Destruction

Re: 2v2 arena spec

Quote:

Originally Posted by masky007

well i guess druid healer with his roots/cyclone should cover the loss of the warlock nerf, i mean that's logicly.

I never liked 3v3, 5v5 THE LEAST! How can blizzard make such a thing- and i looked everywhere for upcoming patches and no info is out.. the last released info from blizz for locks is that we will get our aoe dps buffed- so i guess they want us pretty much the way we are atm (haters).

It seems blizzard gone lazy- 31 points to unlock talent tree - less time working on balancing talents
reforging - less time balancing items
mastery should have been designed in allot different way such us powering the spells you want to choose - lazy again
not balancing 2v2? WOW so they force us to play 3v3
and i dont know why the f*** i pay them...

Me and my team mate used to be high ranked players (2500+) back at the very begining - it was not balanced but at least they were trying :S

anyways i still want to play LOCK and 2v2 with my friend- he has 2 options druid and shammy- he prefers shammy but now druid seems more needed? What do you think?

1: 2v2 is not a bracket you can balance while at the same time keeping 3v3, the more serious bracket, balanced. Saying you don't like 2v2 is fine, I too feel much more comfortable in 2v2, but realising it is nothing outside of a training ground is the first step to become a better player. If you insist on playing 2v2 you insist on playing in a broken bracket.

2: You've never been above 1600 rating on that char for as long as statistics has been in this game and if memory serves me right 2.1 was enough to get glad back in early The Burning Crusade. I'm going to call bullshit on you being a 2.5k rated player at any point, unless you prove me otherwise.

3: Your inability to play the class does not mean the class is broken.

4: Nobody forces you to play 3v3. In fact, nobody forces you to play PvP, or even World of Warcraft. It is a choice you make, you pay to be allowed to play in a world they created. If you don't like that world, you can cancel your subscription, nobody is stopping you. If you hate this game, but can't stop playing it, the issues go much deeper and I suggest you get help.

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March 07, 2011, 07:40 AM

#27 (permalink)

masky007

Character Info
Maskirana
85 Undead Warlock
Kazzak Euro PvP

Re: 2v2 arena spec

Quote:

Originally Posted by D1RE

1: i guess i do insist playing on broken bracket but thats what i like 2v2 and thats it!

2: Talk bullshit about you if you want and NOT me please! Tell me how can i prove it to you and i willl. Otherwise you are one very rude dude around (didn't except that)

3: My inability? I havent yet steped in the arenas you sir earlier said "i cant go up where i belong" i cant push 1900+ (something like that)

4: The reason i play world of warcraft is simple - thats fun. They create the world with my money and yours and tbh i expect a little more than just winning asses. So ruining 2v2 bracket is so lame i can't even say it. Oh btw today i went on framing some herbs - reported 16 farming bots! :S wtf = the world blizz created...
And still why do i play - dunno maybe nostaligic about the good wow days.

Now if you have any arguments related to the topic please comment, if not shut up and don't judge my choices.

March 07, 2011, 08:24 AM	#28 (permalink)
D1RE Character Info Shagina 90 Human Warlock Grim Batol Euro PvP Profile: Blizzard Armory Talent Tree: Destruction	Re: 2v2 arena spec 1: Then don't complain. They didn't "break" the 2v2 bracket, they stated that it can't be balanced. 2: I'm stating a fact, not talking bullshit. That character underwhich you're posting has never broken 1600 rating in any bracket after statistics were added and does not have a glad drake so I call bullshit on a statement like "I've been 2500 rated". 3: Not stepped in the arena? But then why are you complaining about anything? As for my statement about being stuck at 1900, read in context. I was playing at 2300 prepatch, so obviosuly I'm not a 1900 player. 4: Expecting a game to be perfect in every aspect is a little heavy, don't you think? Blizzard work on trying to remove botters, but as long as you have a game this big, there will be cheaters. I will not take orders on when to talk or not. If you start bullshitting I will call you on it, deal with it. __________________ Life is empty, life is meaningless. When we take a life, we take nothing of value. Warlocks are killers. That's all we do, that's all we are. There are no poets in the bitter business.

March 07, 2011, 11:21 AM

#29 (permalink)

Cribbage

Character Info
Cribbage
85 Human Warlock
Azuremyst

Re: 2v2 arena spec

Quote:

Originally Posted by masky007

Me and my team mate used to be high ranked players (2500+) back at the very begining - it was not balanced but at least they were trying :S

Before carrying on what seems to be a bit of a heated argument, I suggest you have a good long think about this part of your quote. You're saying you are annoyed at Blizzard now because you don't like the way they have balanced the game. But then you say you were okay with is back at the beginning even though it was not balanced then either. The difference being the imbalances used to work in your favour.

WoW is a complex game. I would venture to say the imbalances in PvP are becoming fewer and less significant. They are there, and they matter, but they used to be a lot worse. The very fact we complain about specific brackets these days is telling - there were many times in the past when some broken specs would ruin just about every aspect of PvP.

Next time you think to yourself you don't know why you are paying Bliz, check out the history of some other MMOs. There have been some very large, expensive titles that have completely died on the vendor's poor class balancing. To sustain (and continually improve) PvP in an MMO for 5 or 6 years is an achievement that deserves some credit.

March 07, 2011, 12:14 PM	#30 (permalink)
masky007 Character Info Maskirana 85 Undead Warlock Kazzak Euro PvP	Re: 2v2 arena spec Its simple i really LOVE 2v2, and listening that blizzard won't try to solve (balance) the 2s is hitting me very hard. You didn't get my point - i said at least they were trying back than - and now the idea of no future for 2v2 is simply sad. D1RE i don't know how can i prove it because i stoped playing while mid The Burning Crusade or something, achi weren't there (was only rumors if i can remember well), and at the very begining i was high marshal with my rogue AV DEATH lool. There is no point to lie about things like this - at least i cant see one. To clarify - i don't whine cause we are in broken bracket atm (every class gets its nerfs from time to time), but that as i read comments that we will stay there at least for very long time. However i will try to break your point the next season i will push 2v2 to its limits. My goal is again 2500+ (if it's possible somehow with the nerf lol) You can continue talk what ever you want i will just clarify your comments not wort while. And i never bull shit Last edited by masky007; March 07, 2011 at 12:24 PM..

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