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May 06, 2005, 09:38 PM
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PVP - wrong strategy or wrong class?
I'm a level 50 warlock on the Doomhammer server, and I mostly ignored PVP up until they added in the honor system and it actually had a point to it. Now, I've tried a couple times to wade onto the PVP scene - three times alone trying to pick off strays, and twice in a large raid - and met with miserable results each time. I've played around in duals before, and a couple times when a lone rogue was terrorizing TM, and actually come out on top, but I generally have to rely heavily on potions (I have 300 alchemy), fear spamming and bandages. It surprised me that I could contribute so very little on a group basis - most of my groupmates came away with easily three or four times the HK's I had. I have spec'd demonology up to soul link, and have started down the destruction tree to get Shadowburn. I find that, in group PVP, soul link is either dispelled before it becomes useful, or my pet is killed outright. I figured curse of tongues would cause some major havoc on priests, but then I discovered that DoT's and curses are generally dispelled very quickly (I'm told there are UI mods for dispelling classes that do it automatically) to the point where they're not really worth casting. After a while, I settled for relegating myself to sitting back with the mage and using my AoE spells to do half the damage the mage is doing. Most of my meager HK's were attained this way. Is this the role of the warlock in group pvp? as a gimp mage? Or am I simply playing with the wrong strategy? I sent a tell to - well, all the level 60 warlocks on my server that were on at the time (about seven people responded). I didn't hear anything that cheered me up - they all somewhat reluctantly advised me that warlocks weren't really good at pvp at all. I come here asking, are there any successful pvp warlocks out there? What do you think I'm doing wrong? what are your strategies and talent builds? Thanks in advance. |
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May 07, 2005, 09:55 AM
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PVP - wrong strategy or wrong class?
http://www.warlocksden.wowmb.net/viewtopic.php?t=5052[/url]
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May 07, 2005, 02:53 PM
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PVP - wrong strategy or wrong class?
I read that thread before posting this one. It only talks about one-on-one (or one-on-two) pvp strategy, which as I've said I'm already pretty good at. Considering that once the battlegrounds are out, the vast majority of all PVP is going to be group PVP, I'm far more concerned about the warlock's role in group PVP. |
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May 09, 2005, 02:29 AM
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PVP - wrong strategy or wrong class?
What you do is, bind curse of agony to an easy to access button, target randomly whackamole style, and spam the curse. Why ? well, its mana efficient, druids are as rare as human warlocks (heh), mages are too busy nuking to remove curses. Net result, you have say 8 targets cursed. Thats 8k damage done, generally to the front line, who will die, which means cp for you. Dont bother with corruption, its just so sad how priests dispel everything. You could pick off lone enemies with some searing pains or shadowbolts. Mages are prime targets in mass pvp, i DO NOT envy them. One flamestrike, and the mage is the center of attention with no way to shake player aggro. Anyway, thats what i do, rack up cp with no effort.
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May 09, 2005, 10:44 AM
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PVP - wrong strategy or wrong class?
You may rack up HK's but the contribution will be extremely low. Dots are not too effective in group pvp, the way i got the most contribution points in tarren mill for example, was shadowburning people about to die. When i would Curse of Agony someone they either 1) Ran away and healed/dispelled or 2) Died too fast for enough Curse of Agony damage to kick in(low contribution) The great thing about shadowburning is that you get to farm for 1hr every 2hrs of pvping !!!! Woottt!
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May 09, 2005, 12:33 PM
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May 09, 2005, 02:40 PM
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the spells i use the most in group pvp now are Immolate followed immediately by Corruption, Shadow Bolt and Rain of Fire. i recently respec'd to a 19/5/27 build with Nightfall, Improved Immolate, Ruin and both "Reach" talents. the morning i did that i racked up this many HK's in one day. the Lifetime HK's in that picture show a 3 day total, intentionally stopping at 666 kills just for the fun of it. :badgrin: the thing is that i didn't even play all day. i played for maybe half the day. my new talent setup allowed me to create a very workable strategy. i have range and fast casting spells. Immolate is now a great nuke as well as a DoT. it can be followed by an instant Corruption or an Amped Curse of Agony. i usually am able to toss a few Corruptions out which will give me a Nightfall proc or two. casting Immolate and an instant SB yields lots of damage up front. i tend to take a couple more steps forward so i can land Corr/Curse of Agony while they run back. i've finished off many people this way. i've found RoF is mainly defensive. it helps keep the other side at bay or even help push them back. i have Shadowburn now as well but only use it situationally, like when someone has the drop on me. rogues tend to get a face full of Deathcoil and Shadowburn while the alliance around me stun and beat them to a pulp. the most useful tools in mass pvp seem to be range and cast time. the faster and further you can cause damage, the longer you survive and the more kills you rack up. i tend to stay towards the front. but never all the way in front otherwise you will be the first one to die. wait for the other side to step forward and target the person way in front. you'll see a couple of people on your side step forward and target that person. you need to do the same because they probably will die, especially if they aren't being healed. so get up there and cause some damage. i highly recommend at least getting Bane so you can shave of .5 seconds from Immolate and SB. Immolate is now my favorite pvp spell, more so because i have points invested into it. but also because the DD is good, then the DoT can tick while you hit them with SB or SP. |
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May 13, 2005, 01:22 PM
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PVP - wrong strategy or wrong class?
in a recent post eyonix gave the impression that the dev's are actually taking a serious look as to which DoT's they feel should be dispellable and which should stick. hopefully they'll see how reliant we are on corruption and Curse of Agony and decide to make em stickers. that being said, RIGHT NOW in general pvp you can just lay out dot's, but mainly using drain life as an affliction lock is what im finding can work out fairly well. destruction, use searing pain. fast, high crit rates, w/+fire damage youre doing some nice dps.
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May 13, 2005, 03:13 PM
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if Corruption was undispellable then i'd be very happy. Immolate has nice front end damage so it's not a total tragedy when it gets dispelled. making Curse of Agony undispellable would piss off a lot of druids as that's their main role in pvp. but if our curses could not be dispelled, we would be monsters in pvp. |
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May 16, 2005, 05:42 AM
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Matrix 4: "- don't think about which one to spam, just spam" (i don't think this is correct grammar ;)) <- neither this ;) but Bosco is right, immolate with bane is far better than SP. Direct Damage is far better then DoTs in PvP CP racking
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