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December 10, 2007, 02:09 AM
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True or Myth??
Hey all i'm a noob to this forum, i just wanted to get to the bottom of something. I am a destro warlock and have heard a number of differing opinions on how to maximise dps. Some say to spam shadowbolts to keep the imp sb buff up. Others say cast everything you have including corruption a curse (shadow/agony, depending on requirement and other locks) and immolate, then sb between reapplying dots. I seem to think that casting corruption slows down my damage if anything can i get some opinions on this. Another tactic that i try which seems to work well is avoiding all curses but doom, and then spamming immolate, sb sb sb sb sb conflag ... repeat. I don't see anyone else doing this but i have never been dissapointed with my total damage output with this strat and usually top all the affliction locks as well as the one fire only destro lock. my crit is just over 25% on character page, damage with fel armour is about 975 and hit is 170. 10k stam unbuffed and 8.6k ish int unbuffed i think from memory. If you check my armory page it will be diff cos i'm trying a 0/40/21 spec this week to test a diff theory. Any comments would be great thanks. |
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December 10, 2007, 02:53 AM
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conikia 70 Gnome Warlock aman'thul Oceania PvE Guild: NWO Profile: Blizzard Armory Talent Spec: 42/2/17 |
Re: True or Myth??
Destro locks usually put up either CoE or CoS for the raid unless there is an afflock that has speced into malediction then its a damage curse. So yes its true destro locks do need to use a curse as either helps damage or enhances theirs, as all curses are instant casts. Destro locks who dont case immolate and corruption come last on damage on a boss fight, the two spells are decent damage/cast with decent +damage, while your primary source of damage is shadowbolts you do need to keep up damage while your casting with dots. |
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December 10, 2007, 07:37 AM
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Kordansk 70 Orc Warlock Skullcrusher US PvP Guild: Beatdown Brigade Talent Spec: 0/21/40 |
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December 10, 2007, 01:53 PM
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Soulzar 70 Human Warlock Medivh US PvE Guild: Trismegistus Profile: Talent Spec: Destro |
Re: True or Myth??
21/40 locks generally do not use either immolate or corruption. Both do have comparable damage per cast time ratios, and unless your sporting a hefty crit rate would probably boost your damage a bit. That said in a 25 man raid at least the 21/40 job is to proc Imp SB as often as possible to boost all shadow casters damage an additional 20%. This includes the shadow priests who are feeding your caster and healer groups mana. To do so, they usually apply curse and SB spam. our 25 man raid setup has 3 locks. 1 affliction (myself) for shadow embrace and malediction CoS to boost spriest mana returns, and two 21/40's to pump the ISB procs. First 21/40 is assigned CoR .. and second is on CoE. If the fight requires curse of tongues the CoE lock is assigned that, or CoR lock gets doom/agony if the boss is a hard hitting one where we don't use CoR. Last edited by Soulzar; December 10, 2007 at 01:58 PM.. |
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December 10, 2007, 07:54 PM
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Re: True or Myth??
Thanks for that info guys its as i suspected. At what point gear wise - damage, crit, hit, would you see it viable to be spamming SB's only |
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December 11, 2007, 10:32 AM
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Seriun 70 Undead Warlock Darkspear US PvP Guild: Dauntlėss Profile: Blizzard Armory Talent Spec: 0/21/40 |
Re: True or Myth??
A lot of locks switch to 0/21/40 towards the end of SSC/TK beginning My Hyjal. 202 +sp hit, 1150 +sp damage(fel armour only) and 20% crit (without talents) are some good minimums to shoot for. |
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December 11, 2007, 10:17 PM
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Re: True or Myth??
well i got 201 hit hehe gotta get an epic gem for heroic mech to be max max lol |
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December 12, 2007, 05:31 AM
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Maelos 70 Gnome Warlock Garona US Guild: Sacred Alliance Profile: Blizzard Armory Talent Spec: 0/21/40 |
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December 12, 2007, 07:10 AM
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Kordansk 70 Orc Warlock Skullcrusher US PvP Guild: Beatdown Brigade Talent Spec: 0/21/40 |
Re: True or Myth??
I don't agree, and Emberstorm is not a talent every lock takes.. some take NP if they aren't a tank. It's a nice talent to have if you aren't worried about aggro drops. Besides the point, as a 0/21/40 build, your sole focus as a raiding warlock is to maximize shadow damage and maximize crit whilst staying hit capped to keep ISB up to help every other warlock and shadowpriest in the raid including yourself. Wasting 1.5 seconds casting an Immolate I personally feel is unnecessary and a waste of a cast. Its 445 mana, and on top of that, your casting one less shadowbolt in your rotation, allowing ISB to drop possibly. I compared your gear to mine, its fairly similar, and I shadowbolt for over 3k on average on bossfights, and crit between 7-8k. Critting as a destruction lock helps your raid, and with on average a 25-30% to crit, every third to fourth cast will crit. That is why I don't think you should add immolate into your rotation. |
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December 12, 2007, 07:54 AM
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Re: True or Myth??
Problem with theorycrafting that popular formulas like the dreaded Excel-Sheet, maxdps.com et al all come to different conclusions. It also is only appropriate to the most primitive tank-and-spank fights, how many are there in WoW since BC? Still some, but less than before. If you have to stop damage, move, care about reflect effects, adds etc. pp. there is a lot more about succesful playing and reaching perfect DPS for that situation. Many things are "common sense" but I have read enough stuff against it like: - Imp Shadowbolt in 10man without another warlock/spriest is not nearly as good as anyone thinks (still pretty nice) - 202 hit rating is very nice too have but not nearly to the point that it's more important than aynthing else , especially a DOT class with GCD cast time suffers much less from being below hit cap The immolate or not immolate story is pretty long. I think some number crunchers dug up that even with 200 Shadow damage more than Fire it's good to cast. I don't know seriously to believe whom. One of my former raid leaders was strictly against DPS measuring. Indeed he did it (secretely) but never talked about it because he always said that the game is not only about DPS but also abotu utility, CC, ability to move etc. |
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