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April 24, 2008, 02:23 PM
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Gruul / Mag and a frustrated Afflic Lock
This being my first post on the “Den” just wanted to express my gratitude to Akasha, Crypt, Theleb, Candianpimp and all other contributors. This forum is the premier place to go for any questions, issues, guides and/or comparisons with regards to Warlocks. I have spent many hours browsing through professional, respectful posts without having to wade through lines of spam, trolls and other juvenile dissertations. I am not sure which topic this belongs under, but am soliciting other warlock opinions. I have pretty much maintained top spot on the damage meter for our guild since the beginning of our Kara / Heroic runs. I only have found competition with one of our Mages and two Hunters. They always come close, however, I will always edge them out by the end of the run. First off…here is the link to my Armory - http://www.wowarmory.com/character-s...=Eitrigg&n=Xep Here is my dilemma: We began our adventures into Gruul’s and Magtheridon’s Lair a few weeks ago and I am finding myself at 2-3 on the damage meter (and last night 4th in Gruuls, behind the two Hunters and an Elem Shaman). This frustrates me to no end and would like some help in determining my next move / change. I pride myself on “knowing how to play my class” and picking the correct gear / spell for each fight. It frustrates me that others can just mindlessly click their Auto-Shot and then walk away from the keyboard…yet out damage me. Our guild actually didn't do to bad. We are successful 2 out of the 3 attempts on Gruul and have attempted Magtheridon once and it was just a recon mission. We are going after Mag again on Sunday and it "appears" promising. Tidbits on knowledge: 1) I am saving Badges right now for the Scryer's Blade of Focus. 2) I alternate the two trinkets to ensure as much +Spell damage as possible. 3) Working on "The Black Stalk" from (H) Underbog. A couple of things that I would LOVE to change….but can’t right now as we all share in the “Warlock buff/debuff duty”. 1) I have the 3 points in Shadow Embrace to maintained damage mitigation to our tanks. 2) I have the 5 points in Malediction to help with Shadow and Elemental damage. 9 times out of 10, I will use CoS. I also rotate in my Amp'd CoD when my Amp CD is up....at that time, we usually have another lock throw her CoS. BOTH of these result in the reduction of DPS / Damage, but right now, I don't have much choice. I know that both of these “Lair” fights are NOT optimal Warlock fights…and maybe I just need to hold my breath until we enter SSC and beyond. I don’t think I am quite ready to re-spec Destro, as I am a tad short of the 202 hit, 1200 damage and 20% crit zone. I guess I am just looking for some small pointers (spec / gear / spell rotation) while maintaining my "mandatory Warlock duty". Thanks in advance for any constructive criticism. Last edited by Xep; April 24, 2008 at 03:40 PM.. |
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April 24, 2008, 03:26 PM
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Mathus 70 Undead Warlock Gorefiend US PvP Guild: Omen Profile: Blizzard Armory Talent Spec: 0/21/40 |
Re: Gruul / Mag and a frustrated Afflic Lock
The spec is solid. It’s important to have someone with 5/5 Shadow Embrace and 3/3 Malediction. No luck on Attumen’s gloves or T4 shoulders? The Badge gloves would be a great upgrade too. Magetheridon will have great gear for you, Wand, T4 Chest and Gloves, the trinket isn’t that great. The Darkmoon Trinket is great, you won’t change it until you get Illidan’s trinket and the Hex Shrunken Head from ZA, unless your buff keeps falling off, like on Lurker, Mag (if you’re a cube clicker) for example. If you can run ZA there’s some good stuff in there, like the head from Hex lord. For Affliction I think the shadow damage off-hand from badges is better than the haste one. Get the trinket from Heroic MgT, it’s very strong for Affliction, the robe is good too. For gear the best thing you can do is use the spreadsheet at www.leulier.com , it’s the best tool available. The next tips might be obvious but I’ll list them anyway. For spell rotations what I did was put up my curse, pop your trinket, UA, Corr, Immolate, SL, Shadow Bolt until you need to refresh your dots. Start casting UA when there is 1.4 seconds left before its final tick. Always Life Tap when all your dots are ticking. Use a dot timer. The 1st post in this thread has a lot of great tips. http://elitistjerks.com/f31/t17008-w...ng_compendium/ Don’t worry about the Hunters, they are very strong at this point in the game but as you progress and gear up you should pass them most of the time, but at that point your Rogues will start putting out serious damage on the meters so you won’t be out of the woods. 
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April 24, 2008, 03:26 PM
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Gritz 80 Orc Warlock Eldre'Thalas US PvE Guild: Fate Profile: Blizzard Armory Talent Spec: Destro |
Re: Gruul / Mag and a frustrated Afflic Lock
You don't need the points in suppression with your hit rating so high - though there really isn't any other place to put them to get to the 4rd tier. Might want to put 2 pts in imp Curse of Agony or 3 in FC for grinding (hey, it's better than nothing )Otherwise, gear is solid, and being 3rd or 4th for a utility spec is pretty good. Only thing I can think of is DoT uptime - get a DoTtimer mod (I use DoTimer), and place it right in the middle of your screen so that you're focused on it. Always be casting, every second that you are not casting, your DPS is dropping. |
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April 24, 2008, 03:29 PM
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Moriban 70 Undead Warlock undermine US PvE Guild: Relentless Profile: Blizzard Armory Talent Spec: pi*R^2 |
Re: Gruul / Mag and a frustrated Afflic Lock
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I think you have those backwards heh. regardless, if you are on CoS duty you will not top the damage charts, especially once other classes can start catching up to you gear wise. And to be quite honest, you shouldn't really care overly much about topping the charts when you are utility. Sure, its fun to be #1, but when you break down the numbers the odds are that if you take away the 13% damage you are responsible for on all the shadow/arcane damage and add it to your current damage, you are going to be responsible for the most damage in the raid, even if the meters dont show it. So you need to figure which is more important to you. Looking like you are responsible for the most damage in any given raid by being first on the damage meters, or actually being responsible for the most damage even though you are 8th or 9th on the meter. I cant see your talents, I am getting XML errors on the armory, sorry. Last edited by badkarma138; April 24, 2008 at 03:33 PM.. |
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April 24, 2008, 03:37 PM
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April 24, 2008, 03:40 PM
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Re: Gruul / Mag and a frustrated Afflic Lock
Which one are you talking about damage or DPs? If you are talking about damage, then it's more likely that if you die more or earlier than the hunter and shaman. Also, if you are in a group with shaman/moonkin/spriest you should see are significant increase in dps. If you are in a tanker group, you lost all those wonderful thing from shaman/moonkin/spriest. Also, are you using recount or damage meter? I believe both of them is not 100% accurate. My experience this week when I go to Gruul, I find my dps is around 1000 in recount (just Gruul, no trash mob) with tie with a shaman. But when my GM post the WWS, my dps is actually around 1200. And the other elemental shaman is slightly under 1000 dps in WWS. From your current gear, I think your dps should be at least 700 dps in a tanker group. |
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April 24, 2008, 03:50 PM
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Thanks for the input....great ideas and will put them to use...keep them coming. |
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April 24, 2008, 03:58 PM
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Nostra 70 Human Warlock Ysera US PvE Guild: Voltage Profile: Blizzard Armory Talent Spec: 0/21/40 |
Re: Gruul / Mag and a frustrated Afflic Lock
Dont forget that Gruul has a silence AoE once every 35-40 sec I think... Hunter dont care about that... But in the end... Yes affliction lock do great in the damage metter, but you give a lot more utility to your raid than the Hunter. Personnaly im 0/21/40, But its because I have by far the best gear. Trust me, 0/21/40 is fun at first , but in the end, Spamming SB mindlessly is a little bit boring. Affliction ask for more skill and bring more utility to the raid. Affliction Warlock will nearly always be in the Tank group for the imp. but in the end, if the only thing you want to do is dps, go 0/21/40 or reroll a Rogue
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April 24, 2008, 04:05 PM
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Maniacle 70 Gnome Warlock Bloodhoof US PvE Guild: Limited Edition Profile: Blizzard Armory |
Re: Gruul / Mag and a frustrated Afflic Lock
Keep in mind that on Gruul, the hunters will have an easier time maintaining steady dps than you, particuallary since they have to worry about Reverberation (silence), and as soon as Shatter is done they begin dps'ing faster than you. And if you happen to get silenced the moment your dots fall off, you've just lost precious time for reapplying them. Our best equipped hunter is almost always #1 on Gruul. My gear and spec is very similiar to yours and I came in fifth on the WWS report for our last Gruul run. Also, I'm sure you meant this "tongue in cheek", but this statement, Quote:
is very untrue. Having a 70 Hunter myself, I can assure you they are doing much much more than pressing auto-attack. For the hunter to get top spot he's doing a very solid shot rotation with steady, auto-shot, arcane and multi-shot. |
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April 24, 2008, 04:37 PM
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Yes sir, It was meant as sarcasm. I too have a 68 Hunter (only reason I would poke fun at them). I fully understand it is MORE than just Auto-shot....a LOT more. I guess this fight is more +1 for them.... easy to maintain constant, speedy DPS without much regard to counterspells, silence and threat (I never see them overly high on threat). Coupled that with their pet damage (my Imp is on Passive)...and you have a perfect scenario for getting beat on the meter. Thanks again for the input....just as I anticipated....well informed and positive! |
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