stacking crit.

[cacophony]

so ive decided to stack crit on my destro lock.
purely for sbolt uptime.

im beating pretty much every lock by a fair margin in raids, despite them ahving more spell damage unbuffed than i do flasked.

so im not sure if that is skill or lag or whatever, but anyways, i stacked crit purely for sbolt uptime, and yes there are some fights where even with 32% crit i only crit 16% of the boss, but im thinking, doesnt crit scales alot better because of ruin?

anyways, thoughts, im not huge on spreadsheets because i look at the boss fights and test my own analysis on things. but im willing to let it come into here :D

[Roast]

stack haste instead, if your latency is good

[Duudinja]

I read your text few times, but still couldn't understand what you meant with it :D

If you are beating all other locks, well ... that's good isn't it ? I am not trying to say this topic is useless, just I would like to understand why you made it ... mby I just can't see the core of it. If someone would just explain to me ...

[Theleb]

Crit doesn't scale better after a point, even with ruin.....and to find out what stats are most valuable to you I would recommend that you DL Leulier's spreadsheet and input your personal gear/stats.

Beyond that, I have no idea what you're asking....?

[Cantclickme]

I don't think he's really asking anything other than if he should be going with haste or crit. There's always room for improvement, even when you're the head of the pack. If you're leading my a lot, you might consider changing guilds to a guild that will get you better gear that you're already doing damage enough to get into.

[Theleb]

A rather convoluted way of affirming his choices thus far - happily my answer would remain the same....To The Spreadsheet!!! WoW Warlock DPS Spreadsheet

[Debuff]

i think this is an appropriate place to include some findings that I had when playing with leulier's ISB uptime calculator yesterday. I was doing a study to see the effect of stacking destro warlocks on ISB uptime. Obviously the data isn't exactly tailored for the question you are asking but you can still see the diminishing returns that increasing crit has on the uptime of the ISB debuff.

----pasted from my guild forums----
This post is just to show how you get diminishing returns on the Improved Shadowbolt debuff when adding more destro locks to a raid. The values you see were averages attained by using an ISB uptime simulator (and a very good one, at that). The applicable stats used were as follows:
Warlocks(destro) with 30% crit, 16% hit, and 7% haste
Warlocks(affliction) with 20% crit, 16% hit, and 3% haste
SP with 3% haste and using VT > SW:P > MB > SW:D > MF
Simulated over a 900 second fight (ignoring mana) to stabilize results

I don't know if those are good stat values for shadowpriests or affliction locks since ours were logged out in pvp gear in the armory but I just took a stab at it. They should still be roughly correct. So without further delay, here are the stats...

No SP
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1 lock: 72% ISB uptime
2 locks: 74% ISB uptime
3 locks: 75% ISB uptime

One SP
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1 lock: 58% ISB uptime
2 locks: 66% ISB uptime
3 locks: 68% ISB uptime

Two SP
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1 lock: 47% ISB uptime
2 locks: 59% ISB uptime
3 locks: 63% ISB uptime

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No SP (w/ aff)
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1 lock: 69% ISB uptime
2 locks: 73% ISB uptime
3 locks: 74% ISB uptime

One SP (w/ aff)
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1 lock: 57% ISB uptime
2 locks: 65% ISB uptime
3 locks: 67% ISB uptime

Two SP (w/ aff)
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1 lock: 51% ISB uptime
2 locks: 59% ISB uptime <-- usually what we have
3 locks: 65% ISB uptime
4 locks: 66% ISB uptime

What does this show us?
This shows us is that there is a decrease in the ISB uptime gains beyond 2 destro warlocks. The first one will take ISB uptime from 0 to 50% or 60%, while the second one will only result in an increase of about 10% uptime, and further locks from there adding almost negligible gains.

How should this affect our decisions?
Well, for one thing, this is why it's feasible to go fire destro (same 0/21/40 spec) once you start getting late t6-ish level of gear and still result in a net gain in raid dps. As long as the raid already has 2 shadow destro locks (and an affliction, obviously), you are only losing about 1-3% of uptime on ISB while increasing personal dps by switching to fire.

Also, this means that crit rating isn't as important to raid dps as many initially thought. With the introduction of haste gems, for most of us destro locks the 5haste/6dmg or even the 10haste gem will be more damage then the 5crit/6dmg ones for both personal and raid dps.

So I should replace all my yellow sockets with haste gems?
Hang on there, young padawan, like most gearing decisions it isn't quite that simple. You should still use leulier's dps spreadsheet to get gear advice that is tailored to your exact gear. If you don't know how to use this spreadsheet, I will be posting an extensive thread on it in the future.

[Absalom]

Let's see...

not hit capped: hit > crit > haste

hit capped: haste > crit


...or something like that.

[Desperation]

I think its

not hit capped hit>haste>damage>crit
hit capped haste>damage>crit

[Malevevely]

Blanket statements really don't work that well anymore with the addition of haste. As damage generally was always better then crit with the addition of haste and its close relationship with damage gear stats can really only be examined on a point for point basis with a spreadsheet.