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July 10, 2008, 11:04 AM
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Immolate + 4 piece t6 shadowbolting, worth casting?
I just this week got the 4 piece t6 bonus, and everything that i've read and tested seemed to be pointing in the direction of only shadowbolt spamming once you get the 4 piece t6 bonus. If I'm wrong and there's something about it somewhere please point me in the right direction but I seemed to be doing more dps doing an immolate- shadowbolt rotation even with the 4 piece t6. WoW web stats for this recent raid. Wow Web Stats The World of Warcraft Armory Typical Destruction build with talents in fire. 4 piece t6 with (almost) everything you can get from BT/MH As an example i'm gona be using only boss attempt damage to explain what I mean. The reasons i'm using only boss attempt damage are that: For fire: 5/5 Scorch is always up. CoE always up. Immolate ticks its full duration 99% of the time. For Shadow: Shadowpriest misery + shadow weaving up. CoS up 3 locks keeping ISB up time up. Ok now if you look at the WWS reports it says Total shadowbolt damage done: 3388603 Total shadowbolts casted: 529 + 232 = 761 Average shadowbolt damage, 3.3 million / 761 = 4452 damage. Total immolate damage done: 389682 Total immolate casts: 86+37 = 123. Average immolate damage: 389k/123 = 3168 damage Average shadowbolt: 4452, time taken to cast (ignoring haste) 4452/2.5 = 1780 damage per seconds cast time. Average immolate (full duration ignore haste) 3168 damage. 3168/1.5 = 2112 damage per second cast time. ------ OK Let's now include the haste effects. 5% haste would lower a shadowbolt to 2.375 cast time (blizzard rounds this up to 2.38 but for purpose sake i'm going to use 2.375. 4452/2.375 = 1874 damage per second cast time, a 94 damage per second cast time increase. Immolate cast time decreased to 1.425 with 5% haste. 3168/1.425 = 2223 damage per second cast time, a 111 damage per second cast time increase. I noticeably saw a difference between when I was only shadowbolt spamming and when I was doing an immolate, shadowbolt rotation on bosses. Have I seriously screwed up the maths or is there something i'm missing? This is with actual numbers and not theorycraft, so I can't see what's going wrong. Is it just my gear? |
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July 10, 2008, 11:27 AM
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Menzo 70 Blood Elf Warlock Aman'Thul Oceania PvE Guild: Nocturnal Profile: Blizzard Armory Talent Spec: 1/44/16 |
Re: Immolate + 4 piece t6 shadowbolting, worth casting?
It has been mentioned on these forums that keeping in Immolate will still aid in your DPS up to a certain extent, however it won't be much of a difference if it was omitted. |
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July 10, 2008, 12:09 PM
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trėst 80 Undead Warlock Kel'thuzad US PvP Guild: Optimus Prime Profile: Blizzard Armory Talent Spec: 0/40/31 |
Re: Immolate + 4 piece t6 shadowbolting, worth casting?
shadow bolt spam only anything else is a dps loss. Except for CoDoom (if you don't have one of the other curse assignments). enjoy shadowbolting now ...once the xpack comes out incinerate will be our spam spell. with proper raid make-up a 2.2 second sb (with some haste) can crit 9K+ (with isb and raid buffs) alot. Not many of our spells are doing that. I regualarly get 3-4 9-11Ks shadowbolts in a row. remember to - any time spent NOT casting shadow bolts and losing ISB is a raid dps loss for others as well. Last edited by Desperation; July 10, 2008 at 12:14 PM.. |
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July 10, 2008, 01:32 PM
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Vmaster 80 Undead Warlock Dragonmaw US PvP Guild: Sparta Profile: Blizzard Armory Talent Spec: 3/13/55 |
Re: Immolate + 4 piece t6 shadowbolting, worth casting?
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July 10, 2008, 02:00 PM
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Lylie 70 Human Warlock Demon Soul US PvP Guild: Paradigm Profile: Blizzard Armory Talent Spec: 0/21/40 |
Re: Immolate + 4 piece t6 shadowbolting, worth casting?
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What he said. At this point those who are Hybrid destro should be full shadow destro or full fire destro, because really anything in between will fall short. |
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July 10, 2008, 02:01 PM
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trėst 80 Undead Warlock Kel'thuzad US PvP Guild: Optimus Prime Profile: Blizzard Armory Talent Spec: 0/40/31 |
Re: Immolate + 4 piece t6 shadowbolting, worth casting?
Vmaster.... speculation - that the new choice of spells for destro locks will be fire = immolation (immolate refreshes from talent tree) spam incinerate SPriests are getting nerfed so it looks like fire mages may become our new best friend in terms of synergy. |
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July 10, 2008, 07:57 PM
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Re: Immolate + 4 piece t6 shadowbolting, worth casting?
Well what I want to know is, when is the defined cut off point to stop using immolate in a raid. Clearly, from hard evidence, it is still worth casting even with the t6 4 piece bonus. Yes it's potentially lost ISB uptime for the raid but you could also argue that locks under the 25% crit mark are eating up ISB up time too. Also immolate really only counts for about 10% of the total casting time, so I would argue that the lost ISB uptime is negligible considering that i'm only losing approximately 1 shadowbolt every 2 rotations. 1.5 seconds immolate 2.5 seconds shadowbolting x5 = 12.5 seconds. Overall gain in damage from using immolate out weighs the 1 in 40 shadowbolts that I could be critting every 2 rotations. |
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July 10, 2008, 09:31 PM
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Re: Immolate + 4 piece t6 shadowbolting, worth casting?
it depends on if you've taken any of the fire talents. If you don't have 5 in immolate and emberstorm and opted for soul leach and nether prot instead then immolate will be a DPS loss with 4pc T6. This is probably true before the T6 bonus but the difference probably won't be that noticeable. |
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July 14, 2008, 01:37 AM
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Re: Immolate + 4 piece t6 shadowbolting, worth casting?
Moving this out to the general Instance section as it's more a general raiding question than getting help with your WWS report.
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July 14, 2008, 03:43 AM
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JhonnyRotten 70 Undead Warlock US PvE |
Re: Immolate + 4 piece t6 shadowbolting, worth casting?
If you are shadow destro immolate was never a good idea. There is no gear level at which it is better to switch. If you have almost everything you want from MH/BT then you will be going to SW soon. In SW you will want nether protection. Immolate has no raid synergy and is dot taxed. To whomever wanted to know why incinerate will be the Wrath of the Lich King spam spell look at the talent trees on wowhead. backdraft and eternal flames mean you can take SB off your bars. |
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