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Old August 29, 2008, 04:39 PM   #41 (permalink)

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Mug'thol US PvP
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Re: Buff / Debuff Stacking in WotLK

Of course! I didn't even consider the imp, I just assumed I'd be using the Felguard that far down the tree. I love the spec, will definitely be trying it out.
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Old August 30, 2008, 01:27 AM   #42 (permalink)

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Re: Buff / Debuff Stacking in WotLK

One blue post sais that affliction will be buffed but still not do a bit less damage then destro, due to the fact that affliction has more utility (that was some few weeks ago ). With the new changes, affliction utility is nothin. you will always have a mage and a priest in a 25man raid. All the other curses and debuffs can be done by 2-3 other clases.

Now I see absolutely no poit in affliction having less dps. I see the Shadowpriests other forums having the same problem and my heart goes out to them ...

Its a bit unfair to devs for people to go ranting like this, especialy when they said that they will closely watch the performance of each class and major tweeks are surtenly comming. With my utopic thincking, I would guess blizzard is aware of this and aff + SP will get a buff in damage later on


About the direction in witch WOW is going

pro - we wount have to indulge noobs and idiots in raids just cuz we dont have any other SP / rogue / pala / etc. available, thus we can choose people we like and know how to play the game

con - we can never again enjoy the uniqness off our class or spec. Personaly, I love the fact that only I can do surten stuff as an aff lock (same goes for any other class/spec)


Conclusion : for now I amd still in the "w8 and see how it plays out" mode. Major changes to the game I love are bound to scare me and I am having a hard time trusting blizz. Still I got a bit of hope left. Maby it wount be that bad, maby it will realy be better ... so I say lets hang on to our lunches for the ongoing ride and "w8 and see".

Fingers crossed, cmon affliction ;)
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Old August 30, 2008, 02:08 AM   #43 (permalink)

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Theleb maybe im wrong but the way i read the talent description winters chill and imp scorch dont work the same way imp scorch is still a kind of shadow weaving for fire, frost and arcane spells, it buffs damage while winters chill just increases critical chance.
from the blue posts it seems Scorch will change to +crit which brings it in line with frost WC... neither stacks ( from said blue posts again ) so there's hardly any reason to bring more then 2 mages ( atm ).

note: dps / tps / hps balance has not been done by blizzard. final numbers can and will change

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Old August 30, 2008, 06:02 AM   #44 (permalink)

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from the blue posts it seems Scorch will change to +crit which brings it in line with frost WC... neither stacks ( from said blue posts again ) so there's hardly any reason to bring more then 2 mages ( atm ).

note: dps / tps / hps balance has not been done by blizzard. final numbers can and will change
You are quite right, i just read the MMO Champion updated talent calculator and the description of both has changed, they now provide crit chance, i find the description of the talents a bit confusing but apparently now they will work for spell damage so they will also be affecting shadow damage (and nature too i guess), at least IS description seems clearer is clearer about that.

My guess is we will have a long week ahead maybe even more before Blizz reveals what changes are in store for warlocks.

In the meantime ill join the QQ brigade and moan about rogues getting buffed yet again .
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Old December 22, 2008, 01:17 PM   #45 (permalink)
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Alleria US PvE
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Re: Buff / Debuff Stacking in WotLK

I wanted to revisit this old topic. Right now I'm 0/41/30 and love it, but I was talking with a few people in guild and was thinking of taking Demonic Pact for the raid buff. Before I do that is there any reason for me to do so? I read over the posts and I'm not convinced it will do any good.
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Old December 22, 2008, 01:32 PM   #46 (permalink)

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I wanted to revisit this old topic. Right now I'm 0/41/30 and love it, but I was talking with a few people in guild and was thinking of taking Demonic Pact for the raid buff. Before I do that is there any reason for me to do so? I read over the posts and I'm not convinced it will do any good.
In general, I recommend taking a look at the raid composition calculator, on mmo-champion: MMO-Champion RaidComp. For the specific case of Demonic Pact, it shows overlap with Disc priests and elemental or resto shamans, but the only thing that is competitive (i.e., not marked with a (w) for weak) is an elemental shaman's totem of wrath. I would say talk it over with those classes in your raid, and your raid leader, to decide.
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Old December 23, 2008, 08:57 AM   #47 (permalink)

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Re: Buff / Debuff Stacking in WotLK

Initially, I was all over maxing raid dps. Did we have a elemental shaman, what pally would be ret, etc...

Now that we clear Naxx in 3 hours, Malygos down, Sarth down with one and drake and trying 2 next week, I'm not sure the current content warrants a min / max perspective. To date, our raid hasn't been utilizing an elemental shaman and the locks are mostly affliction. Could our raid dps be higher, maybe? Could CoR speed up a bosses destruction at a small personal dps sacrifice?...yep.

Is it needed?...apparently not.

Raid class min/maxing, imho, is gone. The content is easy enough that coordinated raids simply don't need the extra buffs.

This is good in that raid leaders and organizers dont need to fret over balance of buffs. Its also good for the players in that you can usually play the spec you want, however, the content simply doesn't have the "epic" feel it used to. Naxx has degenerated into an AoE fest. Maylgos was reasonable and Sarth is good with the drake options. I sincerely hope that the next instances present abit more challenge,...well, maybe more than a bit.

In summary, don't fret raid min/max for buffs. If your raid group isn't working right, its probably a personel issue and not game related.
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Old December 23, 2008, 11:10 AM   #48 (permalink)

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I wanted to revisit this old topic. Right now I'm 0/41/30 and love it, but I was talking with a few people in guild and was thinking of taking Demonic Pact for the raid buff. Before I do that is there any reason for me to do so? I read over the posts and I'm not convinced it will do any good.
You need to provide more information.
10s or 25s?
Is there a shammy throwing down a Totem of Wrath?
Is you guild struggling to down bosses? Do you need to respec for that extra ounce of oomph?

If you are wiping with bosses under 10%, and you don't have a totem of wrath, then it might be worth the respec. Other than that, I can't see it making that much of a difference. Min/maxing is necessary if you are at the edge of what you can do and need a little more. If you are not at the edge, don't worry.
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Old December 23, 2008, 12:35 PM   #49 (permalink)
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You need to provide more information.
10s or 25s?
Is there a shammy throwing down a Totem of Wrath?
Sorry to leave out some info there. We're are currently working on 25-man Sarth w/3 drakes. But after looking at mmo-champion's raid calculator and looking at our raid make up, I decided to not take the talent since we do have one elemental Shammy using Totem of Wrath. So for now I'll stick with DPS and not worry bout buffing.
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